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04-08-2007, 09:23 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Best Pre 1942 Carrier Torpedo Bomber
Heres the four choices.
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04-08-2007, 09:41 PM
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#2 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | Interesting u broke it down to pre-1942... Would have liked to seen the comparisons between the generations...
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04-08-2007, 10:12 PM
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| Les, I figured that 1942 was the year when everyone learned that slow moving torpedo planes were highly vulnerable to AA. Plus as the number of enemy ships decreased, the torpedo bombers had to be able to adapt to new missions.
For me, the "Kate" was the best as it lugged the larger of the torpedo's and performed its mission well.
I will post another poll for 1943-45 after we discuss this one.
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04-09-2007, 12:12 AM
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Country:  | I'd say the Fairey Swordfish. For a biplane, it did some amazing things in the sky during that time, like sinking the Bismark. That was a big achievement for a supposedly obsolescent aircraft.
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04-09-2007, 05:25 AM
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Country: | The Swordfish also sunk the Italian Battleships as well. Being the first carrier attack on Battleships. | |
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04-09-2007, 06:20 AM
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Country: | Based on performance and equipment, it's the Kate. Based on accomplishment, I'd go with the Swordfish, but the Kate is close behind - a good poll!
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04-09-2007, 06:38 AM
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#7 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Then why'd u vote for the Devastator then Joe???
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04-09-2007, 08:11 AM
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#8 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Got to vote for the Kate.
Who cares about what the Swordfish accomplished. It was not the better of the two aircraft. The Kate was faster, better protected, more maneuverable and able to perform the mission better.
If you wish to talk about accomplishments it is still the Kate. 2 Words....
Pearl Harbor.
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04-09-2007, 08:13 AM
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Country:  | Agreed Adler. I would of voted for the Swordfish if the Kate hadn't been in the poll but the Swordfish despite what it accomplished was not the best at this time.
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04-09-2007, 08:49 AM
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#10 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I hate to say it but I dont really think it was the best at any point of the war.
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04-09-2007, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus  Then why'd u vote for the Devastator then Joe??? | My mistake!  Corrected accordingly....
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04-09-2007, 09:24 AM
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#12 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Uhuh just admit it, you thought you could get away with it. You sly little fox!
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04-09-2007, 09:41 AM
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Country: | The B5N1/2 were no better protected than the Fairey Swordfish, defensive armament on both was a single light machine-gun. The Swordfish had a more diverse weapons collection, the 'Kate' could only carry torpedos and bombs in no greater weight than the Swordfish loading. The Swordfish could carry torpedo, bombs, mines and rockets; the latter two being something the 'Kate' never carried.
The Swordfish sank more tonnage than the 'Kate'. The Swordfish III was deployed with the Mk.X ASV radar which was superior to that on any 'Kate'. While the 'Kate' spear-headed Pearl Harbour it wasn't alone in the attack, the Swordfish on the other hand went into Taranto on its own.
The B5N1/2 'Kate' looks more modern but it wasn't any better than the Swordfish.
*edit* The Swordfish actually carried a larger bomb-load than the B5N2. The B5N2 carried a single 1764-lb torpedo or three 250-lb bombs, the Swordfish Mk.I could carry a single 1,610-lb torpedo or a 1,500-lb mine or 1,500-lb bombs (2 500-lb under fuselage and one 250-lb under each wing, or 1 500-lb under fuselage and 1 500-lb under each wing).
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04-09-2007, 10:05 AM
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#14 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The swordfish was a fabric covered biplane...
That is what I meant by protection.
The Kate was more maneuverable and had better performance and this thread is about Torpedo Bomber so who cares about mines, bombs and rockets.
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04-09-2007, 10:14 AM
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Country: | The B5N2 had no defensive armour or self-sealing fuel tanks, it was no more survivable than the Swordfish. Range and speed of the B5N2 were superior to the Swordfish, while the Swordfish was more stable at the slower speeds during the torpedo run.
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