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Thompson 32 35.16%
MP40 26 28.57%
Sten 5 5.49%
PPSh-41 16 17.58%
M3/A1 Grease Gun 4 4.40%
Owen 5 5.49%
Beretta Modello 1918 3 3.30%
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:33 PM   #76
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That was the Golf model. It's a version that they lightened I think for USMC infantry Wpns Plt - they're a Company level asset. I'm not sure if the other services use the M240G. I think it's a fine weapon. Again - w/ the tripod it's damn accurate.
I am not sure what type of 240 the Infantry in the Army uses but in Aviaton we used the 240H.
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In a helicopter it might be good, but for the infantry its too clumsy, it takes too long to replace the barrell and since each barrel has a bipod permanently attached that means extra weight for the spares - plus, again, RoF is too low.

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The design allows for incorrect reversed reassembly of bolt components Sear wear leading to runaway guns (had to break belt to stop firing). Component durability - failures of welds and peeling of rubber grip coverings. Barrel changes - no handle for changing hot barrel, need asbestos gloves.

There's a reason the M240 is replacing the M-60.
M240G is an excellent weapon. Good point - barrel on 240 changes in a quick second. Breaks down VERY quickly. Tripod adds some weight to the spare barrel bag, but depending on the situation you wouldn't have to take it. Cyclic rate varies from 650-800-950 if I remember right depending on regulator setting.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:38 PM   #78
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The M-60 we used never topped 600 rpm thats for sure.
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Yup - Rated at 550 I believe.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:48 PM   #80
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In a helicopter it might be good, but for the infantry its too clumsy, it takes too long to replace the barrell and since each barrel has a bipod permanently attached that means extra weight for the spares - plus, again, RoF is too low.

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The design allows for incorrect reversed reassembly of bolt components Sear wear leading to runaway guns (had to break belt to stop firing). Component durability - failures of welds and peeling of rubber grip coverings. Barrel changes - no handle for changing hot barrel, need asbestos gloves.
Where the heck did you get this info from? Trust me I know what I am talking about, I used it on a daily basis almost.

The barrel only takes a few sec to replace. There is a little button that you push and the barrel slides right out. New barrel slides right in and the button automatically clicks and then you push the tab and it is ready to fire.

The bipod assy was made out of very light metal and did not add any relative weight to the gun or the spare barrels. Trust me the bypod assy weighed litterally like a handful of No.2 penciles. Thats not a lot.

ROF is good eneogh.

As for the reassym of bolt assy, you cant put it together wrong. Yeah there are parts that can go in backwards or wrong, but then the overall assy does not work and your checks will show you that it is not right before you even try to fire a round. A good M60 gunner would not make these mistakes anyhow...

Never had a run away gun and I also dont know anyone else over the last 6 years who had one either. You do proper maint to your gun it does not happen.

As for peeling of rubber grip coverings, it never effected the fireing of the gun. I had half of the rubber grip covering missing off of my gun for 6 months in Iraq and it never caused a problem. All it does is allow a bit more dust in the weapon, so I cleaned it a bit more.

The funny thing is, we never cleaned them every day, because when we did, that was when a jam happened. We used good old normal WD-40 or CLP and the gun never jammed and I would only clean it about once a week and I fired it alot every day in Iraq.

As for Componant durability never had a serious problem that was caused by the gun or a componant of the gun. As a matter of fact the only problem I had was when my Feed Tray cover flew off while trying to reload the gun. Why did this happen, because we were travelling at about 120 knots and this will happen to any gun at that speed, if you do it eneogh. I found a good way to pull the gun inside so that the wind did not hit the feed tray cover and then there was not a problem after that.

As for the changing of the hot barrel and there not being a way to handle it. That is not true. All M60s (atleast the ones used by the US Army) have a handle on the barrel that you use to slide the barrel off. There are asbestos gloves as well and we are told to use them for our own safety, but in combat you dont go digging for your gloves you just put your hand on the handle, push the button and slide the barrel off.

Again I dont know where you get your info from but what you just said up there does not describe any of the M60s that I used in the Army and I happen to be an expert on the weapon.

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There's a reason the M240 is replacing the M-60.
Dont take me wrong. The M240 is a better weapon and it is time that the M60 got replaced. In the US Army the only ones still using the M60 is Aviation but that is slowly being phased out. Right before I got out of the Army my unit finally got rid of there M60s and got 240H's.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:51 PM   #81
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Yup - Rated at 550 I believe.
Yeap it is 550 but that is still eneogh to supress or kill you enemy.
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I see M60E3 on the USMC equipment factfile under infantry weapons. They must have some still in the inventory, that haven't quite been replaced by the M240G yet.
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Adler a helicopter is a clean inviroment compared to the dirt foot soldiers have to go through. In densly vegitated and/or muddy areas the M-60 suffered the problems I mentioned. Was it often ? Well that depends how much you've been through and it depends on the climate as-well.

And I sure don't remember our M-60's having any handle you could use when replacing the barrell - you had to touch the barrell with your hands, and if you didn't have any gloves then your treshold for pain had better be good - and the barrel only lasted a couple of hundred shots when dealing out suppressive fire before you had to change it. Fact is the M-60 wore out quickly.

Now I don't know if the M-60 has changed since, but thats how it was.
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Now I don't know if the M-60 has changed since, but thats how it was.
It must have compared to what ever version or model you have used. Because what you described is competely different from the M60s that I have used.

It is much more durable and it is a lot different. I never needed to used gloves to change the barrel and by doing it that way, I never burnt my hand. I used the handle.

When did you use the M60? That might explain it. You may very well have been using an early model or version of it.
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It was up until the early 80's.
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Could very well be then that your M60 was different than mine.
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What about the M60E3?
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I like the MP44 (assault rifle I believe) for it's accuracy.
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Hi everyone, sorry i havent posted on my own thread lately, but Ive been away for a few weeks. Really good opinions guys!
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Does the M240G use the same cartridge as the M60?
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