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06-15-2006, 11:03 AM
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#151 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Dont take me wrong I am not saying the Hurricane was a lemon. It was a great aircraft. However the Bf-109 was superior to the Hurricane in almost every catagory. Did 109s fall to Hurricanes though? Ofcourse.
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06-19-2006, 04:34 AM
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#152 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | would you know why so many 109s fell to Hurricanes?
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06-19-2006, 04:41 AM
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#153 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Why do any aircraft get shot down by others? Think about your question.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-19-2006, 04:47 AM
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#154 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I meant the main reason? pilot skill? position?
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06-19-2006, 04:53 AM
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#155 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Probably the fact that the British radar would vector them to the site of the Germans and they could be waiting to pounce them. Most Bf-109s fell to Spitfires though and not Hurricanes.
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06-19-2006, 05:43 PM
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#156 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | That's a silly question, looma. It's purely situational. The Bf-109s could have been bounced, or the German pilot might have been tricked into a turning fight. There's countless reasons.
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06-20-2006, 01:39 AM
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#157 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | My thoughts exactly.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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07-11-2006, 08:09 PM
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#158 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Well, hence the name, Spitfire V wins. For sentimental values.
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07-12-2006, 10:19 AM
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#159 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Well if we are going for sentimental reasons than the Bf-109.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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07-12-2006, 08:10 PM
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#160 | | Senior Member
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| Could a Hurri really out-turn an Me?
The Hurri could take punishment and some had armour field-upgrades.
I also think the engine was tougher?
Plus it was fighting on home turf...
I take it we're discussing the Spit MkI/II and the Emil?
Well in that case I'd put the two equal, depending on pilot choice.
The Me was better @ high alt, the Spit @ lower. The Me could choose the venue, but it was (on Goerings orders) at the Spits best level.
For me, it would depend on the day, but if I weren't allowed the hub cannon on the Emil, then it'd probably always be the Spit. | |
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07-14-2006, 05:17 PM
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#161 | | Senior Member
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Country: | My grandfather (still living) was a bomber pilot. He wasn't a hero or anything but he did his job the best he could and fought on.
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"Courage is a quality God has seen fit to dispense with utmost care. The men of Bataan were His chosen favorites."
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Commanding General, Luzon Forces, 1942
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07-14-2006, 06:20 PM
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#162 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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07-14-2006, 09:24 PM
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#163 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by SpitfireKing My grandfather (still living) was a bomber pilot. He wasn't a hero or anything but he did his job the best he could and fought on. | Mine too. Same on all counts. He flew Lancs and Halifaxes. | |
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07-15-2006, 09:38 AM
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#164 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Schwarz, the Hurricane could out-turn the Spitfire which could out-turn the Bf-109E. The Hurricane was one of the best low-speed turners of the war, but as with all low-speed turners it was too slow to be around at the end of the war.
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07-15-2006, 09:28 PM
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#165 | | Senior Member
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Country: | but not the same case with the 109F right?
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