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03-13-2006, 02:08 PM
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#31 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | That is what I agree with. The Spit and 109 had advantages and disadvantages over one another but for the most part were equal. The victor was either the one who had the advantage of surprise, alltitude, or just the better pilot.
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03-13-2006, 02:10 PM
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#32 | | Senior Member
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| Incorrect Vassili, these two planes turn equally well, with the Spitfire having a small advantage at high speed and the 109 having a small advantage at slow speeds.
And btw, the 109 actually has a thicker wing than the Spitfire.
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03-13-2006, 10:17 PM
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Country:  | in 1943-1944 i think negative G carburetors came out? is this true?
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03-13-2006, 11:29 PM
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#34 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by loomaluftwaffe in 1943-1944 i think negative G carburetors came out? is this true? | NO..........
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03-14-2006, 02:13 AM
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| Spitfires had several solutions to the problem of fuel loss from their float carburettors over the course of the war.
The first appeared in March 1941, when Miss Tilly Shilling developed a diaphragm with a calibrated hole that allowed negative G manouvers. It was standard on the Merlin 24 and later. It was also retrofitted to existing in service Spitfires. Most Spitfires were fitted with the modification by June. It alleviated the problems with negative G manouvers, but did not completely eliminate engine starvation in prolonged manouvers.
Later in 1941 the RAE developed a refined version of 'Miss Shilling's Orifice' allowing longer periods of inverted or negative G flight. By 1942 a 'zero G' version of the Rolls Royce SU carburetor was fitted, first apperaring in the Merlin 46 in April 1942. The new unit allowed sustained negative G flight.
The Merlin 66 and later engines recieved the US developed Bendix-Stromberg direct injection carburettor, which was fitted to more than 11,000 Spitfires. The Merlin 66 first appeared in Spitfires in April 1943. | |
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03-14-2006, 06:25 AM
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Country: | oh whoops, my bad soren, i just read about it in a book THE Hardest Day about the 109 and the spit and probaly got confused.
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03-24-2006, 07:52 PM
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| I voted Spit. Earlier i would say the Messerschmitt and it were equel But the later models outclassed the BF-109 by sheer quality. | |
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03-24-2006, 08:08 PM
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#38 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | I'm with plan_D (so to speak  ). The Spit maintained it's relatively good performance throughout it's development, although the later Griffon powered marks made a bit of a trade-off of manoeuvrability for speed. By contrast, the Bf-109 retained many of it's early bugs and the standardization of it's production eventually all but went out the window. Partially due to material considerations no doubt as the war wore on, but still a factor.
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03-24-2006, 09:17 PM
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Country: | yeah, as long as the books don't mention the negative sides, everything has a positive and negative effect, they wont just mention it
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03-24-2006, 09:20 PM
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#40 | | He who does not skim
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03-25-2006, 05:59 AM
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#41 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeah he sounds like some confusious speakings here.
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03-26-2006, 09:56 PM
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__________________ "The German Luftwaffe always fought without any reserves. This is also the reason why we have pilots with extremely high numbers of victories."
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03-27-2006, 07:18 PM
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#43 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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03-27-2006, 09:22 PM
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#44 | | He who does not skim
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03-27-2006, 09:28 PM
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#45 | | Der Crewchief
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