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01-11-2005, 12:42 AM
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#16 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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Country: | There was the Japanese ace with 100 kills whose name I have forgotten.
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01-11-2005, 01:09 AM
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#17 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Actually the highest scoring Japanese ace is Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, credited with 87 official confirmed victories.....
Here is my file on japanese aces.... Most reference the 87 as the correct score... There was no such thing as record keeping for the latter years of the war....
Imperial Japanese Army Air Force
1/ Hiromichi Shinohara / 58 / All in Manchuria
2 / Satoshi Anabuki / 51
3 / Sumi Kamito / 40
4 / Isamu Sasaki / 38
5 / Mitsuyoshi Tarui / 38, (incl. 28 in Manchuria)
6 / Isame Kashide / 32
7 / Sada Koga / 31
8 / Yasuhiko Kuroe / 30
9 / Shogo Takeuchi / 30
note that most JAAF high scorers fought in the Nomonhan border war with Russia in 1939, which compares interestingly with the huge scores attributed to Finnish Brewsters in their 1941-44 border war on the Russian's western front.
Imperial Japanese Navy Air Force
1 / Hiroyoshi Nishizawa / 87
2 / Tetsuzo Iwamoto / 80
3 / Shigeo Fukumoto 72
4 / Shoichi Sugita / 70
5 / Saburo Sakai / 64
6 / Takeo Okumura / 50
7 / Toshio Ota / 34
8 / Kazuo Sugino / 32
Japanese Aces AllTime
Nishizawa 87 (87 of 184 claimed confirmed)
Iwamoto 80 (64 of 202 claimed confirmed)
Sugita 70 (70 of 120 claimed confirmed)
Sakai 64
Shinohara 58
Anabuki 51 (39 of 96 claimed confirmed)
Okumura 50 (50 of 84 claimed confirmed)
Sasaki 38
Tarui 38
Ota 34
Sugino 32
Kashide 32
Kuroe 30
Takeuchi 30
Japanese Aces
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa 87
Tetsuzo Iwamoto 80
Shoychi Sugita 70
Saburo Sakai 64
Hiromishi Shinohara 58
Satoshi Anabuki 51
Takeo Okumura 50
Isamu Sasaki 38
Micuyoshi Tarui+ 38
Toshiyo Ota 34
Kazuo Sugino 32
Yashiki Kuroe 30
Shizuko Ishi 29
Kaneyoshi Muto 28
Chiyoshi Saito 28
Kenji Shimada 28
Sadaaki Akamatsu 27
Isamu Hosono 27
Yunishi Sasai 27
Rikia Shibata 27
Goychi Sumino 27
Moricugu Kanai 26
Hidenori Macunaga 26
Shogo Saito 26
Goro Furugori 25
Claimed Kills vs Verified
Tetsuzo Iwamoto 202 - 64
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa 174 - 187 (104 confirmed?)
Shoichi Sugita 120 -70
Takeo Okumura 98 -50
Satoshi Anabuki 96-39
Mitsuyoshi Tarui 76-10
Tadashi Nakajima 75
Isamu Sasaki 75-32
Shigeo Fukumoto 72
Toshio Ota (Devil of Rabaul) 68-34
Saburo Sakai 64
Kazuo Sugino 64-32
Yasuhiko Kuroe 60-28
Junichi Sasai 60-27
Hiromishi Shinohara 58
Sadaaki Akamatsu 54-16
Naoishi Kanno 53-25
Goro Furugori 50-25
Kenji Okabe 50-15
Lt(jg) Tetsuzo Iwamoto 202
CPO Shoichi Sugita 120+
WO Hiroyoshi Nishizawa 87
WO Shigeo Fukumoto 72
Ens Saburo Sakai 60+
Lt(jg) Junichi Sasai 54
CPO Takeo Okumura 50
Ens Kenji Okabe 50
Lt Naoshi Kanno 48
WO Ryoji Ohara 48
Lt Cdr Iyozoh Fujita 42
WO Sadamu Komachi 40
Ens Kaneyoshi Muto 35
PO1/c Toshio Ota 34
WO Kazuo Sugino 32
WO Takeo Tanimizu 32
Ens Susumu Ishihara 30+
CPO Shizuo Ishii 28
Lt(jg) Sadaaki Akamatsu 27
WO Nobuo Ogiya 24
CPO Yoshimi Hidaka 20
Lt(jg) Shigeo Sugio 20
Officially Recognized:
Nishizawa = 87
Iwamoto = 80+
Sakai = 64
Sugita = 30+
Source: Japanese Fighter Aces and Fightere Units - Pages 239 thru 243
nishizawa 87
shigeo fukumoto 72
sho-ichi sugita 70
iwamoto 66
sakai 62
takeo okumura 50
yoshihiko nakada 45
sumi kamito 40 +
anabuki 39
toshio ota 34
morichiki kamae 32 (moritsugo kanai???)
isamu sasaki 32
kazuo sugino 32
goro Furogori 30 (+20 in china???)
Tetsuzo Iwamoto 202 Mitsubishi Zero
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa 174 Mitsubishi Zero (carrier)
Shoichi Sugita 120 Mitsubishi Zero
Takeo Okumura 98 Mitsubishi Zero
Satoshi Anabuki 96 Mitsubishi Zero (carrier)
Mitsuyoshi Tarui 76 Mitsubishi Zero
Isamu Sasaki 75 Mitsubishi A6M2
Shigeo Fukumoto 72 Mitsubishi Zero
Inyo Endo 69 Mitsubishi A6M2
Toshio Ota 68 Mitsubishi Zero
Saburo Sakai 64 Mitsubishi Zero
Kazuo Sugino 64 Mitsubishi A6M2
Yasuhiko Kuroe 60 Mitsubishi Zero
Junichi Sasai 60 Mitsubishi A6M2
Hiromishi Shinohara 58 Mitsubishi Zero (carrier)
Sadaaki Akamatsu 54 Mitsubishi Zero (carrier)
Goro Furugori 50 Mitsubishi A6M2
Kenji Okabe 50 Mitsubishi Zero
Naoshi Kanno 48 "Tony"
Ryoji Ohara 48 Mitsubishi Zero
Yoshihiko Nakada 45Mitsubishi Zero
Yohei (johei) Hinoki 45 Mitsubishi Zero (carrier)
Iyozo Fujita 42 "Tony"
Sumi Kamito 40 Mitsubishi Zero
Sadamu Komachi 40 Mitsubishi Zero (carrier)
Japanese Fighter Aces
Name Kills
Hirojoshi Nishizawa 87
Shigeo Fukumoto 72
Sho-ichi Sugita 70
Tecuzo Iwamoto 66
Saburo Sakai 64
Horimichi Shinohara 58
Takeo Okumura 54
Satoshi Anabuki 51
Johei Hinoki 45
Yoshihiko Nakada 45
Sumi Kamito 40
Micuyoshi Tarui 38
Isamu Sasaki 37
Toshio Ota 34
Kazuo Sugino 32
Sada Koga 31
Yasuhiro Kuroe 30
Shizuo Ishii 29
Takeyoshi Muto 28
Chiyoshi Saito 28
Sada-aki Akamacu 27
Isamu Hosono 27
Jun-ichi Sasai 27
Rikio Shibata 27
Kenji Shimada 27
Goychi Sumino 27
Moritsugu Kanai 26
Isamu Kashiide 26
Takaji Kimura 26
Hidenori Matsunaga 26
Goro Miyamoto 26
Shogo Saito 26
Goro Furugori 25
Tomio Hanada 25
Tokuyasu Ishizuka 25
Naoshi Kanno 25
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01-11-2005, 09:39 AM
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Country: | Getting solid numbers on Japanese aces is difficult as there is a reliance on logs and memories of the pilots. Keeping a score was against Japanese military policy as they felt that it took away from unit cohesion and favored pilots with more kills. But I think that 87 for Nishizawa is generally accepted by historians. The numbers will vary depending on the source you look at. Nishizawa is also generally accepted as the highest scoring ace of Japan.
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01-11-2005, 10:56 PM
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| The class system in place in Japan also hurt the record keeping. Lower-class pilots generally were not recognized.
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01-11-2005, 11:46 PM
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#20 | | Your ad here. ;)
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Country: | That is also true, LG.
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01-29-2005, 11:05 AM
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#21 | | Junior Member
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Country: | There are not alot of people that know alot about aces.A little-known segment of World War II history, featuring expatriate Polish pilots flying in the Battle of Britain after the fall of their country in 1939.Treated with disdain at first by their Allied partners, the pilots quickly became legendary for their fearless aerial exploits throughout the war. The Kosciuszko Squadron is credited with shooting down 126 German planes in six weeks of combat, more "kills" than were credited to any other squadron attached to the RAF during that same period. Nine of the Kosciuszko Squadron pilots become aces, and five were awarded the RAF's Distinguished Flying Cross. Question of Honor - The Kosciuszko Squadron: Forgotten Heroes of World War II by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud |
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01-29-2005, 11:15 AM
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#22 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Hell of a first post... Not a hello or nothing.....
Recommendation Tino.... If ur gonna stay around here, change ur name to something alittle more personal....
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01-29-2005, 11:23 AM
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#23 | | Forum Politruk
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01-29-2005, 11:31 AM
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#24 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Most of the "Free" forces fought with more ferocity than the likes of Britain and the US, just look at the Poles when they took Monte Cassino
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01-29-2005, 12:03 PM
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#25 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I must dispute that statement im afraid mossi howabout Kohima or mt Suribachi I think all nations have their moments don,t you?
As for which aces I think Russia as most of the other nations seem to be better documented. |
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01-30-2005, 03:05 AM
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#26 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Yes, and you don't think the British fought with complete ferocity when defending their home land? Kind of disrespectful of your own nation there.
And the Poles took Monte Cassino after the Fallschirmjager had been battered, and then swamped with Polaks. You should look at the feat of the 1st/4th Essex and the Gurhkas at Monte Cassino.
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01-30-2005, 12:15 PM
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#27 | | Junior Member
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Country: | Buddy you missed the point............
Average person in United States doesn't even know that there were any Polish fighters at the Battle of Britain. I just learned from the book that I'm reading (that I mentioned before) that almost 30,000 Polish pilots and flight personals were fighting in Britain during the WW II.
It's never going to be enough to thank them for that. Because they fought for us too. After WW II a lot of people were trying to forget about them. Well, they succeeded at least in USA. Anyways, were always supposed to remember what they did for us. |
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01-30-2005, 12:23 PM
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#28 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | which is what it's all about................
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01-31-2005, 02:46 AM
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#29 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I'll allow it, for the US point. The people who know about WW2 here in Britain know about the Polish flying for them in the BoB and the Polish fighting on the ground. Hell, the Polish helped in the Operation Market Garden to pull the lads out of Arnhem!
Other than that, most people don't even know about WW2 itself. 
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01-31-2005, 12:39 PM
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#30 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | sorry what now??
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