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| With haevy mail as-well I would agree you Matt but we're talking well tempered full plate armour - in which case only smaller batches of mail is used at the arm-pits and back knee. And these suits are light, and I can easily imagine someone being able to swim in them, although it wouldn't be easy - would require alot of leg work.
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05-01-2007, 02:41 PM
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05-01-2007, 03:15 PM
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| Nice pictures Matt !
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05-02-2007, 11:04 AM
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The third one from the bottom is German if I recall correctly. Now THATS how you make armour baby. That is a work of art. Beeeeautiful! 
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05-02-2007, 06:20 PM
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| Agreed Matt, but take a look at his suit
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| Nice pics Adler !
Matt, no its not mine - wish it was though 
Btw, talked to one of my friends yesterday about the swimming in armour issue, well he like you didn't believe it to be a very good idea - however I've read that there was actually a competiotion between knights back then which involved who could swim the furthest in armour - it actually evolved into a sport.
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| Hey, who can hold his breath for the longest might be important when crossing the water-filled ditch surrounding a castle ! 
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Country: | I have a bad feeling that I am going to bore alot of people here due to the way I think. I am not saying that my thinking is correct just that I have a certain approach to it.
In away I think that comparing to groups that never saw each other does not tell us much.
Do armies try to prepare to fight the enemy they expect to face? What I mean by this. My selection of tools and tactics will be centered on giving me an advantage over my likely enemy in the field. Also in the post Roman era of Europe were you not likely to face a mixed enemy. Heavy cavalry and Light cavalry both being used by the same side in different a different manner. Hordes of lightly armored men providing support for the heavily armored men. Archers being protected by Pikemen so they can stay in the fight longer when the distances close.
I think if you show the two armies what they will face in advance with ample time to prepare. The armies you see that take the field might look very different then what we originally saw. If I were either group you give me a year to prepare. I also have to factor in the enemy is also changing and I might be surprised by what I see when time comes.
I think the methods and equipment used evolves as we have contact with the enemy. If you do not get destroyed on the first time out if you have a weakness. You plug those weaknesses and perhaps the winner over the long run goes to he who adapts the best and makes the right changes to the mix.
I also think if we measure one on one combat capability we lose something. A battle is very different. In a battle I am just as worried about the guy that takes out targets of opportunity as I am the guy that is in front of me. Perhaps the most dangerous guy in a Mid Evil mixed battle is the guy that might not even kill anyone. Imagine the guy would is a capable fighter on a mixed battle field that chooses to avoid direct on equal terms combat. Instead he backstabs a couple of engaged fighters. Knocks one down while fighting another. Distracts another while he is engaged. This guy is effective not because he kills anyone but opens opportunities for others. That tells me that one on one measurements are only part of the battle.
The Japanese didn't do that well against the forces of both Gengis Khan and Kubla Khan. Nature however did do well against the Khans. That needs to ba analized I think as well. In the early days of post Roman European Combat Charles Martel was able to stop a Muslim invasion. Why?
I guess I think is that if we look at how to forces that are strangers to each other look does not tell us anything meaningful because given intellegence both sides may try and adapt. | |
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