Fw-190

Yeomanz · 12-31-2004, 04:20 PM

I barely know a think ,

i just have opinions on everything , though i know alot of the Japenease Codes

you know G4M-betty ect .................................................. .......

GermansRGeniuses · 12-31-2004, 05:57 PM

Ect?

Ectetera?

Yeomanz · 12-31-2004, 06:01 PM

oh dear can i not abreviate now

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-01-2005, 05:46 AM

it's the codes i normally have problems with, like the TBM avenger and stuff, and i can never remember if the F4F was the wildcat or hellcat, samd with the F6F...................

Yeomanz · 01-01-2005, 07:26 AM

What about a F7F , that was a tigercat or something like that , or maybe it was a bearcat , never been good at allied planes

evangilder · 01-01-2005, 09:18 AM

Here you go, the Grumman Cats:
F4F- Wildcat
F6F- Hellcat
F7F- Tigercat
F8F- Bearcat

We have a Hellcat and a Bearcat at our museum and we get normal visits from a Wildcat. I used to confuse them as well, now I have been around them enough to remember.

Yeomanz · 01-01-2005, 09:39 AM

so my first guess was right , is the bearcat he jet one ?

evangilder · 01-01-2005, 10:12 AM

No, the Bearcat was the prop powered fast fighter. The Bearcat would actually go from a full brake stop to 10,000 feet in 96 seconds! I have seen it do that and it is really amazing! The top speed on it is quite fast too (Don't remember the exact off the top of my head). The jet one you are probably thinking of is the F9F Panther. There was also a swpet wing version of it called the Cougar.

plan_D · 01-01-2005, 11:10 PM

Couldn't the 109 out-climb and out-dive the -190. I can't remember, I know the -190 had the best roll rate in the war and it was faster, could turn inside and more powerful than the -109.

01-01-2005, 11:58 PM

A few comments...

The Bf109's generally turned better than the FW190's at low speeds, the FW's turning better at medium and high speeds.

The FW's and 109's generally climbed about the same for a given time period, with the exception of the Bf109K which climbed like a rocket under NO2 (SEP) boost. However, SEP power was not something that could be used in combat very effectively except to escape in a climb. To engage SEP the engine had to be under a load (climbing pretty hard) and the RPM's and prop pitch had to be set just so.

The FW190A series was limited to altitudes below about 24000 feet, above that the engine computer had issues and it lacked performance. So against US bomber escorts, the Bf109 series was really the only choice until the Dora9 (which apparently fixed the problem or provided a bypass) arrived in very late 1944.

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plan_D · 01-03-2005, 02:55 AM

Personally, I'd rather be in -190D-9. Unless we can go into 'What-ifs' and I'm assuming we can't but I'll say this anyway. Perfect prop-driven attacked on bomber formations with Fw-190A-8/R8s attacking the bombers and Ta-152s holding high escort...sheer poetry, maybe.

01-03-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

Personally, I'd rather be in -190D-9. Unless we can go into 'What-ifs' and I'm assuming we can't but I'll say this anyway. Perfect prop-driven attacked on bomber formations with Fw-190A-8/R8s attacking the bombers and Ta-152s holding high escort...sheer poetry, maybe.

With P-51H's and P-47M's flying escort...

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Erich · 01-03-2005, 09:18 PM

The Tank would of easily made the bounce if in sufficient numbers. The STurmFW's would of been done away with and the Newer lines of 262's would of been available.

all in all a large what if. Just like the Ta 152 uber thread.........B-29's what crock. Suggest you chaps pick up the books and I mean all of them that I listed oln the JG 301 unit and the Ta 152.

01-04-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Erich

The Tank would of easily made the bounce if in sufficient numbers. The STurmFW's would of been done away with and the Newer lines of 262's would of been available.

all in all a large what if. Just like the Ta 152 uber thread.........B-29's what crock. Suggest you chaps pick up the books and I mean all of them that I listed oln the JG 301 unit and the Ta 152.

There were never going to be many 262's, the engines were simply beyond Germany's ability to mass produce.

The P-51H and P-47M would have been able to contend with the TA-152. Also there were other versions of the P-47 in the pipe for high altitude performance which were not pursued because Germany was all but beaten and there was no need. And there were Spitfires also in the pipe for this role. If we are going to revise history to consider a Germany that might have massed produced the Ta, we have to assume the Allies would have made different choices based upon that fact too right?

What's the "crock" about the B-29? It was originally intended for Europe, but by the time it was ready to start operations in 1944, Germany was all but beaten and there was no need for it there. The B-29 would have done much much better against Germany than it did against Japan, as the jet-stream problem over the Sea of Japan was not present over the ETO.

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plan_D · 01-04-2005, 12:29 AM

P-51H and P-47M in escort, the Ta-152 could have dealt with them. Since when could Germany not produce Me-262s? Is it me, or did they actually produce -262s that claimed a lot of bombers...