Fw-190

[Erich]

I'll see if the rest of the listing covers the breakdown. Wonder though of the 6700 plus is all the Fw 190A variants ? the list in my possession is a abad copy from Germany. I can attest in truth the nu bers for the sturm machines which I will list on the morrow for u

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Originally Posted by Erich

I'll see if the rest of the listing covers the breakdown. Wonder though of the 6700 plus is all the Fw 190A variants ? the list in my possession is a abad copy from Germany. I can attest in truth the nu bers for the sturm machines which I will list on the morrow for u

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No, as I recall there are some 17000 A/F/G series (ie: aircooled engine) airframes laid down. That number is probably a little overstated, because in some instances new werknumbers were given to a plane composed of the parts of several existing planes, or when a plane's format/equipment was substantially changed. Also the numbering system was not consistant through the war. It's all rather confusing as I'm sure you know.

There is a huge discrepancy. Established numbers seem to be well short of the 17000 figure, but I suspect the missing planes are more evenly distributed between the A-4 through A-9 series, as well as amoung the various F and G variants than the 6700 A-8's figure would imply, but perhaps... ???

Adding up the numbers of each variant at the JBaugher 198A page, I come up with about 5500, but this includes no figures for A-3, A-5, A-0, F-8, or F-9 versions. Even he claims that there were about 17000 radial engine versions:

Example of this practice is seen in a Fw 190F-8/R-1 plane stored in the National Air and Space Museum (NASM) in Washington, USA. When, after storage in the Silver Hill facility, the process of restoration started, the old identification plate on the fuselage with serial number (Werk Nummer) W.Nr. 640069 was found. This is evidence that the airframe was taken from an A-7 plane. After rebuilding during the war, this particular plane was modified to Fw 190F-8 standard, got a new serial number (W.Nr. 931884) and was again sent to a service unit. The number of Fw 190 fighters produced with radial engines is probably 17000 planes minimum. Some authors quote higher numbers, but because each source is different, these numbers are not credible. Of course, the development of the Fw 190 plane did not end with the A, F and G versions, but continued with water-cooled in-line engines.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo...her/fw190.html

I'd also point out that just because an airframe was completed to the point of recieving a Werknumber does not mean it was ever delivered for service. I suspect the actual number in service was well under 17000, but well over 5500.

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Lunatic

[Erich]

I'll agree with the inconsistantcy of all German a/c werk nummern. I have studie the Ju 88G-6 for many a year and there just as much fonfusion there.

be back soon with the ......... SturmFw's stuff

[Erich]

well just had an accident..........

ok my arithmetic is off possibly

680101-680200 100 a/c
680410-680600 120 a/c this does not add up ?
680710-680860 150 a/c
680930-680970 20 a/c this does not add up ?

681020-681050 30 a/c
681250-681540 290 a/c
681801-681900 60 a/c ?
681960-681999 40 a/c

682001-682070 70 a/c
682170-682320 150 a/c
682620-682840 170 a/c ?
682901-682999 100 a/c

683310-68340 30 a/c

total for this list is 1330 SturmFw's from Fieseler, Kassel works

unless there are no gaps then the German tally is incorrect. Out of sequence is a definate.

on a second page after other A-8 variants and werk nummern I see on the bottom of the page:

Daraus ergibt sich, daß annähernd 6,655 Fw 190A-8 zur Auslieferung gelangten.

my copy is bad and hopeful this is the correct sentancing.....

E be back after the doctoral visit..........dang it

[lesofprimus]

Hope everything is alright with ur "Accident" Erich......

Erich, I hope you are okay. By "accident" do you mean in a car?

Here in the USA the term "I had an accident" most commonly refers to:

a) a car crash

b) unintential loss of bladder control

In this case, I hope it is the latter, but suspect the former, and really am unsure because of language usuage issues...

In any case I hope you are all right m8!

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As for the FW's, I really have no idea. All I do know is that Werknumbers alone are insufficient as:

1) they frequently do not add up as you have shown above

2) werknumbers were often assigned before an airframe was completed and/or were changed on planes or series of planes (so that one wn might be applied to two a/c), thus this does not indicated delivery.

An example of multiple werknumbers seems to relate to a rather large block of A-8's which were redesignated A-7's for some reason.

What would be interesting would be to do a search of the American arcives in Washington. However, this costs money and unless you know, at the very least, the name of the document you want or, the date of the document or, the deptartment or individual author of the document, it is very expensive to have a search done, and results are often unsatisfactory. If you have any of the above info w.r.t. FW related documents that might have fallen into Allied hands, please let me know and perhaps we can arainge a FIA search.

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Lunatic

[Erich]

your in luck as I have a listing of werk nummern for the A-7 variant which I will list shortly after work.

thanks for your wishes gents. Got hit in the face while working on the property so my vision is slightly impaired for a brief spell......will be back.

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[Erich]

here is a tough one. Denmark 1945 after war. An A-8 or an A-9 ?

[Erich]

A-7 variants. primarily the A-7/R6 and the heavy A-7/Mk or A-7/R2 done up at Fieseler, Kassel

701 units

werk nummern on this variant

340001-340085 85 a/c
340210-340360 110 a/c

a/c done up at FW Cottbus
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430160-430200 40 a/c
430310-430370 30 a/c ?
430460-430510 60 a/c
430640-430710 70 a/c
430990-430999 10 a/c

431001-431020 20 a/c
431110-431190 80 a/c

done up at Ago, Oschersleben
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R2's and R6's from Fieseler, Kassel

642001-642016 16 a/c
642520-642560 40 a/c
642960-642999 40 a/c

643401-643420 20 a/c
643701-643730 30 a/c
643901-643950 50 a/c

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[Erich]

let's see now if this works. A-9 production werke nummern from P. Rodieke's fine book on the Fw 190 variants...

my hands are starting to go

[Erich]

by the way there are sub varinats included in this listing such as the R11 which housed special all weather equipment. My cousins A-9 may have been one of these. His Weiße 2 was # 206 085 built at Cottbus

Might as well be in Greek

[Erich]

why ? am I not understanding something ? Verstehen nicht ?

Originally Posted by Erich

why ? am I not understanding something ? Verstehen nicht ?

No spreken de duetsch

[plan_D]

Nicht sprechen die deustch...


...even I probably got that wrong.