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12-14-2007, 11:13 AM
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#46 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by ccheese  That's not the way I recall the account of the sinking. To my knowlege
there was no aircraft involved......
This from Wiki....
The first shots were fired at a range of about fourteen miles. The Hood raced toward the Bismarck in an attempt to close the range and reduce the time Hood's decks were exposed to plunging fire. Initially Hood engaged Prinz Eugen instead of Bismarck, a mistake the Prince of Wales did not repeat. The German ships quickly found the range to the Hood and she was hit first by an 8 inch (203mm) shell from Prinz Eugen on the boat deck which ignited 4 inch (102 mm) ammunition and UP rockets, causing a fire to burn out of control endangering the ship. Shortly after this, the Prinz Eugen shifted her aim to the Prince of Wales, in accordance with a semaphore order from Bismarck.[9] At about 0600 (0601 in German reckoning), Hood signalled a 20-degree turn to port which would have brought the aft turrets of the British ships into action. However, as the Hood began her turn, she was struck by one or more shells of Bismarck's fifth salvo, fired from a distance of between 15 and 18 km (about 8 to 9.5 nautical miles).[10] Almost immediately, a huge jet of flame burst out of Hood from the vicinity of the mainmast.[11] This was followed by a devastating explosion that destroyed the after part of the ship. The stern rose and sank rapidly before Hood's bow section reared up in the sea before it too sank.
Charles | Charles he was kidding. pD knows that the Hood was sunk by the Bismark and that there were no carrier born Ju-87s. 
He was mocking someone else....
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12-14-2007, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ccheese The SBD for me.. Look what happened at Midway...
Charles | And Coral Sea, The Guadalcanal Campaign, Rabaul, Truk .....
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12-21-2007, 10:47 AM
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12-21-2007, 10:48 AM
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#49 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by 'Lil'tyger sbd's rule | Very informative!
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04-05-2008, 01:08 AM
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04-05-2008, 05:17 AM
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#51 | | Der Crewchief
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Come on people. If you are going to open up an old thread, please make it worth it.
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04-05-2008, 06:56 AM
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Country: | I am going to go with the SBD because it was able to be land or carrier based. It did a lot of damage to Japanese ships and also, as Swede Vejtasa proved it was able to dogfight with Zero's and other fighters. It was an all around great plane that was able to deliver its payload and fight its way back to its carrier...Also, it proved as a good scout airplane early on in the war.
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05-17-2008, 04:36 PM
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I am also not sure that the Grace was a great divebomber, because it was a dual role aircraft. This is usually a rcipe for disaster.
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05-17-2008, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cromwell Blackburn Skua - just to be controversial. Mind you it did work, after a fashion. Blackburn Skua
.. but I must say that I think the Brits failed to take the Blackburns and the Boulton Pauls, get rid of their silly turrets (where appropriate), and make them into half decent carrier borne fighters.
Its not that far-fetched, and they were no good for the RAF after all.
Imagine if all the Defiants had been given even 2 or 4 fwd firing guns, dump the turret, and other Navalisation features like a landing hook ?
It would have really helped early on in the Atlantic when Sea Hurricanes were mostly knackered ex-RAF lash ups, or shot off Catapaults on a one way trip ! | Hey what about the British Barracuda? Sank the "Tirpitz" you know! {revenge for those nasty Stuka's sinking the "Hood"!  }
OK, well at least they helped....
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05-17-2008, 10:09 PM
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05-17-2008, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kool kitty89 Stukas didn't sink the Hood... | The guys have been jokin' around about the Hood, Kool... Quote:
Originally Posted by mkloby Dude - the Ju 87E made a significant contribution to the war effort. Actually, it sunk HMS Hood. | Quote:
Originally Posted by plan_D Really ?  | Quote:
Originally Posted by mkloby Yup - 1800kg bomb. You don't think the Bismark was able to do that with it's infantile 15" guns do you? | Quote:
Originally Posted by plan_D All these stories about the Hood, the plot thickens. Someone's lying... | Quote:
Originally Posted by lesofprimus I thought the Hood sank cause someone fogot to put the drain plug in... |
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05-18-2008, 12:30 AM
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But that was written over a year ago... | |
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05-18-2008, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Another informative post!
Come on people. If you are going to open up an old thread, please make it worth it. | But I was serious about the Barracuda, it was a neat aircraft, could be used as TB or DB. Not that I am an expert by any means. 
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05-18-2008, 03:24 AM
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Country: | Yep not a bad bird. But the Helldiver could double as a topedo bomber as well.
And I noticed the thread was dormant I just hadn't read back...
And that post was truely informative. As was the following one.
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05-18-2008, 11:08 PM
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The SBD may have to be nominated as the single aircraft that contributed the most to the fortunes of WWII over four days as any aircraft other than the B-29.
Other than that the Beast was a more capable wepon system. | 
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