The Greatest Fighter Pilot in WW II??? - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

The Jagdflieger Pips · 08-02-2004, 04:46 PM

I'm going to say Erich Hartmann. He had an amazing amount of kills.

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-02-2004, 05:00 PM

many against inexperienced pilots, makes you wander though, where did he put all the roundells and stars for each of the planes he shot down

.............................

lesofprimus · 08-02-2004, 07:56 PM

Alot of repainting on that rudder of his for sure...

And speakin of which, I cannot find a pic of Hartmanns tail with kills on it...

Anyone got one???

The Jagdflieger Pips · 08-02-2004, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Alot of repainting on that rudder of his for sure...

And speakin of which, I cannot find a pic of Hartmanns tail with kills on it...

Anyone got one???

I have an illustration in a book of the tail of his Me-109 F-4, I might be able to scan it if you're interested. It's only the tail, and he looks to have had only 107 victores. Small picture, too.

lesofprimus · 08-02-2004, 08:10 PM

Not lookin for an illustration, a regular pic... I dont even recall seeing one...

The Jagdflieger Pips · 08-02-2004, 08:16 PM

I actually thought I'd seen an actual one somewhere. Or that might have been a different pilot.

lesofprimus · 08-02-2004, 08:18 PM

I find it hard to believe that such a pic isnt readily shown on the internet, or in books... What an accomplishment, even against crap ass Russian pilots... (most of em)...

The Jagdflieger Pips · 08-02-2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

I find it hard to believe that such a pic isnt readily shown on the internet, or in books... What an accomplishment, even against crap ass Russian pilots... (most of em)...

Agreed.

plan_D · 08-02-2004, 11:16 PM

Well there's another good old agreement...

...maybe everyone was jealous of him, so they didn't take any pictures to increase his ego.

Even if he was a great propaganda instrument.

Lightning Guy · 08-03-2004, 12:10 AM

The kill totals for the Luftwaffe ran so high that they had to do something to get them all in. Often, when a special number like 100 had been reached, the tail would be painted over the total at the time (say 100) would be painted with decortations (like a wreath) at the top of the tail, and then single kills signs would be added from there.

Erich · 08-03-2004, 12:21 AM

hmmmmmmmmm did you know that Hartmann could not of scored his 352 without the watchful eye of his youthful wingman who himself scored over 100 victories ? Marseilles kills of 17 in a day are not certain neither are the 222 of Erich Rudorffer. I do wonder how the star of Afrika and the blonde knoight would of faired in combat with US heavy bombers and the scores of P-51's, and yes I know about hartmann's claims agasint p-51's of the 15th AF..... it is rather amazing though to think of over 11,000 kills alone scored by JG 52 that Rall, Barkhorn, and Hartmann were part of during their long careers.....

best pilot either goes to the German night fighter aces or the day fighter boyz agasint 4 enigne bombers/escorts, without a doubt the toughest flying during the whole war.

E ▼

lesofprimus · 08-03-2004, 06:45 AM

Yea LG, I have seen some pics and some illustrations showing the tail markers... But I have never seen Hartmanns....

Erich, do u happen to have a pic laying around somewhere???

And yes, a wingman is a very important part of the game... Hartmann never lost a wingman to enemy fighter action either...

kiwimac · 08-03-2004, 08:02 AM

Here is an early pciture of Hartmann + his Me109 with 100+ kills

http://www.adlertag.de/asse/hartmann.htm

All I can find so far.

Kiwimac

kiwimac · 08-03-2004, 08:10 AM

Here is an early pciture of Hartmann + his Me109 with 100+ kills

http://www.adlertag.de/asse/hartmann.htm

All I can find so far.

Kiwimac

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-03-2004, 02:34 PM

he looks like he belongs in a barbor shop.................

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08-02-2004, 04:46 PM	#31
The Jagdflieger Pips Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 176	I'm going to say Erich Hartmann. He had an amazing amount of kills. __________________ Eisenhower: Nuts! benny~tow: wtf that mean? Eisenhower: meant to say nutsack lol finger slipped tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG I got all his stuff! tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES Stalin: d00d gimme some plz tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple

08-02-2004, 05:00 PM	#32
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	many against inexperienced pilots, makes you wander though, where did he put all the roundells and stars for each of the planes he shot down ............................. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

08-02-2004, 07:56 PM	#33
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,500	Alot of repainting on that rudder of his for sure... And speakin of which, I cannot find a pic of Hartmanns tail with kills on it... Anyone got one??? __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

08-02-2004, 08:10 PM	#35
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,500	Not lookin for an illustration, a regular pic... I dont even recall seeing one... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

08-02-2004, 08:16 PM	#36
The Jagdflieger Pips Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 176	I actually thought I'd seen an actual one somewhere. Or that might have been a different pilot. __________________ Eisenhower: Nuts! benny~tow: wtf that mean? Eisenhower: meant to say nutsack lol finger slipped tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG I got all his stuff! tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES Stalin: d00d gimme some plz tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple

08-02-2004, 08:18 PM	#37
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,500	I find it hard to believe that such a pic isnt readily shown on the internet, or in books... What an accomplishment, even against crap ass Russian pilots... (most of em)... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

08-02-2004, 11:16 PM	#39
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Well there's another good old agreement... ...maybe everyone was jealous of him, so they didn't take any pictures to increase his ego. Even if he was a great propaganda instrument. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-03-2004, 12:10 AM	#40
Lightning Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,512	The kill totals for the Luftwaffe ran so high that they had to do something to get them all in. Often, when a special number like 100 had been reached, the tail would be painted over the total at the time (say 100) would be painted with decortations (like a wreath) at the top of the tail, and then single kills signs would be added from there. __________________

08-03-2004, 12:21 AM	#41
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	hmmmmmmmmm did you know that Hartmann could not of scored his 352 without the watchful eye of his youthful wingman who himself scored over 100 victories ? Marseilles kills of 17 in a day are not certain neither are the 222 of Erich Rudorffer. I do wonder how the star of Afrika and the blonde knoight would of faired in combat with US heavy bombers and the scores of P-51's, and yes I know about hartmann's claims agasint p-51's of the 15th AF..... it is rather amazing though to think of over 11,000 kills alone scored by JG 52 that Rall, Barkhorn, and Hartmann were part of during their long careers..... best pilot either goes to the German night fighter aces or the day fighter boyz agasint 4 enigne bombers/escorts, without a doubt the toughest flying during the whole war. E ▼ __________________ Rip it up !

08-03-2004, 06:45 AM	#42
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,500	Yea LG, I have seen some pics and some illustrations showing the tail markers... But I have never seen Hartmanns.... Erich, do u happen to have a pic laying around somewhere??? And yes, a wingman is a very important part of the game... Hartmann never lost a wingman to enemy fighter action either... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

08-03-2004, 08:02 AM	#43
kiwimac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Deepest Darkest NZ Posts: 1,131	Here is an early pciture of Hartmann + his Me109 with 100+ kills http://www.adlertag.de/asse/hartmann.htm All I can find so far. Kiwimac __________________

08-03-2004, 08:10 AM	#44
kiwimac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Deepest Darkest NZ Posts: 1,131	Here is an early pciture of Hartmann + his Me109 with 100+ kills http://www.adlertag.de/asse/hartmann.htm All I can find so far. Kiwimac __________________

08-03-2004, 02:34 PM	#45
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	he looks like he belongs in a barbor shop................. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

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