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Old 08-02-2004, 02:46 PM   #31
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I'm going to say Erich Hartmann. He had an amazing amount of kills.
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many against inexperienced pilots, makes you wander though, where did he put all the roundells and stars for each of the planes he shot down .............................
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Alot of repainting on that rudder of his for sure...

And speakin of which, I cannot find a pic of Hartmanns tail with kills on it...

Anyone got one???
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Old 08-02-2004, 06:07 PM   #34
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Alot of repainting on that rudder of his for sure...

And speakin of which, I cannot find a pic of Hartmanns tail with kills on it...

Anyone got one???
I have an illustration in a book of the tail of his Me-109 F-4, I might be able to scan it if you're interested. It's only the tail, and he looks to have had only 107 victores. Small picture, too.
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Old 08-02-2004, 06:10 PM   #35
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Not lookin for an illustration, a regular pic... I dont even recall seeing one...
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I actually thought I'd seen an actual one somewhere. Or that might have been a different pilot.
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I find it hard to believe that such a pic isnt readily shown on the internet, or in books... What an accomplishment, even against crap ass Russian pilots... (most of em)...
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I find it hard to believe that such a pic isnt readily shown on the internet, or in books... What an accomplishment, even against crap ass Russian pilots... (most of em)...
Agreed.
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Well there's another good old agreement...

...maybe everyone was jealous of him, so they didn't take any pictures to increase his ego. Even if he was a great propaganda instrument.
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The kill totals for the Luftwaffe ran so high that they had to do something to get them all in. Often, when a special number like 100 had been reached, the tail would be painted over the total at the time (say 100) would be painted with decortations (like a wreath) at the top of the tail, and then single kills signs would be added from there.
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hmmmmmmmmm did you know that Hartmann could not of scored his 352 without the watchful eye of his youthful wingman who himself scored over 100 victories ? Marseilles kills of 17 in a day are not certain neither are the 222 of Erich Rudorffer. I do wonder how the star of Afrika and the blonde knoight would of faired in combat with US heavy bombers and the scores of P-51's, and yes I know about hartmann's claims agasint p-51's of the 15th AF..... it is rather amazing though to think of over 11,000 kills alone scored by JG 52 that Rall, Barkhorn, and Hartmann were part of during their long careers.....

best pilot either goes to the German night fighter aces or the day fighter boyz agasint 4 enigne bombers/escorts, without a doubt the toughest flying during the whole war.

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Yea LG, I have seen some pics and some illustrations showing the tail markers... But I have never seen Hartmanns....

Erich, do u happen to have a pic laying around somewhere???

And yes, a wingman is a very important part of the game... Hartmann never lost a wingman to enemy fighter action either...
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Here is an early pciture of Hartmann + his Me109 with 100+ kills



http://www.adlertag.de/asse/hartmann.htm



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Here is an early pciture of Hartmann + his Me109 with 100+ kills



http://www.adlertag.de/asse/hartmann.htm



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he looks like he belongs in a barbor shop.................
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