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08-03-2004, 01:51 PM
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#46 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | great pic Kiwimac. I've got one pic of Hartmann's wingman so I will try and find it. think he is sitting upright out of the cockpit with a profile of his face looking into the wind.............I'll do a little bio on him once I find his pic.
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08-03-2004, 04:01 PM
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| I have a model of his plane when he had that painted on. =3 Great picture.
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08-03-2004, 09:13 PM
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#48 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Great Pic Kiwi... Now if we can find one with the 300 in wreath we'd be n Bidness...
What would u can those markings... Im having trouble findin somethin on search...
Kill markings???
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08-03-2004, 09:15 PM
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#49 | | the old Sage
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Country: | they would be called victory markings on the rudder. in fact there is an old book OOP on German rudder markings... produced by Schiffer pubs on the east coast of the good ol USof A
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08-03-2004, 09:22 PM
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#50 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Heres a statue of Marseille and his rudder... | |
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08-03-2004, 09:26 PM
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#51 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Heres one at 50... | |
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08-03-2004, 09:49 PM
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#52 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Hers a good shot for U Brits...
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08-03-2004, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Here is Kozhedubs La-7, which he flew from April 1945 till the end of hostilities... 
And another here that i added to library...  |
That's no La-7... (In the top profile)
That there is an La-5 (F? Fn?)! You can tell because the cockpit on the La-7 fairs straight into the rear fuselage, unlike in the La-5's, where it was humped... | |
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08-03-2004, 10:23 PM
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#54 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | that was the file name i downloaded...
I agree it is a -5 not a -7...
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08-03-2004, 10:29 PM
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#55 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | And for the record, I think that, while 352 kills is unreal, Hartmanns opposition was so sub par, and his luck so very high, that its not a great way to detemine this...
Kozhedub had to fly against some serious opposition... In an inferior aircraft...
If any German pilot should get it, it would have to be in the WTO... The competition was so much more balanced...
Who were the leading WTO Germans???
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08-03-2004, 10:34 PM
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#56 | | Minister of Whoopass
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* means dead
Erich Hartmann 352
Gerhard Barkhorn 301
Guenther Rall 275
* Otto Kittel 267
Theodore Weissenberger 252
Wilhelm Batz 237
Erich Rudorffer 222
Heinrich Bar 221
* Heinrich Ehrler 220
Hermann Graf 212
Johannes Weise 208
* Hans Philip 206
Walter Schuck 206
Anton Hafner 204
Helmut Lipfert 203
Walter Krupinski 197
Anton Hackl 192
* Maximilian Stotz 189
Joachim Brendel 189
* Joachim Kirschner 188
Kurt Hans Friedrich Brandle 180
Guenther Josten 178
Johannes Steinhoff 178-176
*Albin Wolf 176
Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert 174
Gunther Schack 174
*Emil Lang 173
*Heinz Johnny Schmidt 173
*Horst Adameit 166
*Wolf-Dietrich Wilke 162
*Hans-Joachim Marseille 158
*Heinrich Sturm 158
Gerhard Thyben 157
*Hans Beiswenger 152
Peter Duettmann 152
Gordon Gollob 150
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08-03-2004, 10:35 PM
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#57 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | And what about ratio of Fighter kills to bomber kills???
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08-03-2004, 11:19 PM
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| Well, shooting down a Battle or Blenhim wasn't that hard. But knocking a B-17 or B-24 out of a combat box was a very risky proposition.
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08-03-2004, 11:21 PM
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#59 | | Minister of Whoopass
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08-03-2004, 11:49 PM
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#60 | | the old Sage
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Country: | before I konk off for a Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and an early start to work, what are U guys/gals interested in concerning bomber kills by Luftwaffe fighters ? names and numbers of victories or ? this is a subject I am well acquainted with for the last 35 + years
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