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12-23-2004, 11:51 AM
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#601 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | The Spitfire was a great aircraft non the less, one of the best infact. However I think that just like the Me-109 it was exceeding its capabilities by the end of the war and was outclassed by newer and better fighters.
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | 
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12-23-2004, 11:54 AM
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#602 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Except the fact that the Spitfire Mk. XIV was the best dogfighter of the war.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004  To those in that club. | |
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12-23-2004, 12:04 PM
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#603 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | The late war Spits were stil competitive, whereas the 109 was starting to get outclassed (Possible exception of the K-4)
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12-23-2004, 12:06 PM
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#604 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I dont know if I would call it the best. One of the best yes but the P-51 was also a great dogfighter.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-23-2004, 12:08 PM
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#605 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The problem with the K-4 it had great performance but it was not very highly maneuverable at highspeeds. Its climb speed also lagged. | |
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12-23-2004, 12:20 PM
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#606 | | the old Sage
Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere
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Country:  | Green 7 of JG 300 ............K-4 | |
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12-23-2004, 12:22 PM
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#607 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | How do you know that it is Green 7, I can not see the numbers on the tail.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-23-2004, 01:44 PM
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#608 | | Senior Member
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Country: | In a dogfight the Spit. Mk. XIV massacred the P-51.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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12-23-2004, 01:47 PM
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#609 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Maybe but I would not say it was the best dogfighter of the war.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-23-2004, 01:49 PM
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#610 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Then you'd be arguing against most people in the world.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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12-23-2004, 01:52 PM
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#611 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Maybe
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-23-2004, 01:54 PM
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#612 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | there was absolutely no way the spit was "exceeding its capabilities by the end of the war " as can be proved by all the post war marks..........
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12-23-2004, 01:58 PM
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#613 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | An airframe can only be improved so much. I am sorry but it is true. The airframe itself can only handle so much.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-23-2004, 02:13 PM
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#614 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Seeing as the Spitfire served post-war and was, in most peoples minds, the best dogfighter of the war. It certainly had not out-done itself.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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12-23-2004, 02:15 PM
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#615 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | and there were many post war marks with ever bigger engines, they proberly could have developed it more if we hadn't entered the jet age...........
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"Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy." | |
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