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01-06-2005, 02:40 PM
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#736 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Well as for Dick Bong and all the other pilots who have done something like that, it takes a great man to do that and save so many lives even though you know your life is going to end. They are all heros. I have read many accounts of pilots who have done that mostly private pilots.
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01-06-2005, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Yes he was.....
McGuire wasnt a flying accident.. He got into low level combat, didnt drop his tanks, and crashed into the ground..... | Thats called a flying accident, he wasnt shot down...
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01-06-2005, 03:08 PM
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#738 | | "Shooter"
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01-06-2005, 03:19 PM
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#739 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | No it was not an accident, it was a crash during combat maneouvering.... An accident is an accident...
Accident:
"Capt Right was decending when he accidently hit the wrong control and inverted his plane and crashed into the ground."
Combat Related Fataltity:
"Capt Wrong banked to the left at 50 feet while pursuing a Japanese Zero and clipped his wingtip into the ground, cartwheeling into a fire-balling mess..."
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01-06-2005, 03:24 PM
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#740 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus No it was not an accident, it was a crash during combat maneouvering.... An accident is an accident...
Combat Related Fataltity:
"Capt Wrong banked to the left at 50 feet while pursuing a Japanese Zero and clipped his wingtip into the ground, cartwheeling into a fire-balling mess..." | Nope sorry man that is still an accident. An accident is something that did not happen on purpose. The guys who burned in a Blackhawk over hear a couple of months ago were on a combat mission when they turned to sharply and lost power and could not gain it back and hit the ground. That is an accident. So if he did not drop his tanks and hit the ground that would be an accident also. I do understand what you are saying but if he was not shot down then it would be an aircraft accident or some people would say an aircraft mishap. | |
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01-06-2005, 03:24 PM
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Country: | He wasnt supposed to crash, therefore = accident. An accident during combat manoevering.
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01-06-2005, 03:27 PM
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#742 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Mince words if u like, but when u say Flying Accident, I dont think about combat crashes, I think of accidents.... Whatever...... Who cares..... McGuires still dead cause of his stupidity, not an accident....
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01-06-2005, 03:36 PM
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#743 | | Der Crewchief
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01-07-2005, 02:26 AM
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#744 | | Senior Member
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01-07-2005, 10:16 AM
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01-07-2005, 12:51 PM
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Country: | Yes. The plane wasn't lost to enemy action but was lost by accident while tangling with the enemy in combat. Combat accident.
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01-07-2005, 01:00 PM
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#747 | | Master of Ewes
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01-07-2005, 01:01 PM
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#748 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by plan_D Or a combat accident. | Yeah that is the best way to put I think. | |
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01-07-2005, 01:22 PM
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#749 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass i wouldn't put it like that........... | How would you put it? | |
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01-07-2005, 11:13 PM
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| However you put it, McGuire was still listed as a KIA.
Interestingly, his fateful mission occurred 60 years ago today.
Personally, I cannot help but feel that McGuire would have survived the war if he hadn't been so obsessed with surpassing Bong's record.
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