The Greatest Fighter Pilot in WW II??? - Page 8 - Aircraft of World War II

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-08-2004, 07:45 AM

well remember the lightnig was around in a time when the goverment was gonna ditch aircraft alltogether and use only missiles (a really stupid idea) showing how important the aircraft was.......................

plan_D · 08-08-2004, 09:44 AM

In 1947 missiles weren't exactly the standard of today though. Aircraft will always be needed, but since most of todays wars are on inferior nations then aircraft for interceptor duties are falling down the priority chain.

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-08-2004, 02:16 PM

well as someone said, today they want multi-role aircraft, not specailist ones..........................

plan_D · 08-08-2004, 04:14 PM

Multi-role aircraft are stupid though. Multi-role airframes are alright, like the Eagle airframe.

Lightning Guy · 08-09-2004, 01:53 AM

Aircraft today have to be mulit-role capable as no air force (even the US) can afford to buy specific combat aircraft to fulfill one particular combat mission.

plan_D · 08-09-2004, 04:56 AM

Even the U.S? B-52 - Bomber. A-10 - Ground Attack. F-15E - Fighter. B-2 - Bomber...see where I'm going with this? The U.S has specific aircraft because aircraft with one task is better at that task than a multirole aircraft. The Eagle airframe is multirole because you've got the Eagle and Strike Eagle on the same airframe.

toffi · 08-09-2004, 07:19 AM

All these mentioned by plan_D joined USAF many years ago. Right now there is a tendency to put every possible task into one aircraft.

plan_D · 08-09-2004, 08:20 AM

The B-2 and F-15 were both in the days of the multi-role thinking. They both prove that multi-role aircraft are inferior in specific tasks. If these planes were not capable, or even superior, then why would they keep them around.

No one aircraft alone can be the master of all trades. The B-2 is a better bomber than the F/A-18. The A-10 is a better ground attack aircraft than the F-22. The B-52 can only be matched in carpet bombing by the B-2, another bomber. The F-15E surpasses all but the F/A-22 in the fighter role.

Multi-Role aircraft are a jack of all trades, a master of none.

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-09-2004, 04:23 PM

but it's cheaper to but one aircraft that is alright-ish at all tasks than 3 or 4 that do different roles really well...................

Lightning Guy · 08-10-2004, 12:15 AM

How about the JSF? F/A-18? F/A-22 has been mentioned. Virtually every aircraft CURRENTLY under development is being designed to fill more than one role.

plan_D · 08-10-2004, 12:41 PM

Obviously you don't understand a single thing I have said. I NEVER said that aircraft under current development were not multi-role, I stated that the multi-role aircraft is inferior in one task to an aircraft that is designed for that task.

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-10-2004, 02:18 PM

which is what i said, or were you having a go at LG??

plan_D · 08-10-2004, 03:08 PM

LG.

Lightning Guy · 08-11-2004, 12:49 AM

I would agree with that but the simple fact is that nation's can no longer afford to develop mission-specific aircraft.

plan_D · 08-11-2004, 05:48 AM

No one denied that fact.

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08-08-2004, 07:45 AM	#106
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	well remember the lightnig was around in a time when the goverment was gonna ditch aircraft alltogether and use only missiles (a really stupid idea) showing how important the aircraft was....................... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

08-08-2004, 09:44 AM	#107
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	In 1947 missiles weren't exactly the standard of today though. Aircraft will always be needed, but since most of todays wars are on inferior nations then aircraft for interceptor duties are falling down the priority chain. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-08-2004, 02:16 PM	#108
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	well as someone said, today they want multi-role aircraft, not specailist ones.......................... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

08-08-2004, 04:14 PM	#109
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Multi-role aircraft are stupid though. Multi-role airframes are alright, like the Eagle airframe. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-09-2004, 01:53 AM	#110
Lightning Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,512	Aircraft today have to be mulit-role capable as no air force (even the US) can afford to buy specific combat aircraft to fulfill one particular combat mission. __________________

08-09-2004, 04:56 AM	#111
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Even the U.S? B-52 - Bomber. A-10 - Ground Attack. F-15E - Fighter. B-2 - Bomber...see where I'm going with this? The U.S has specific aircraft because aircraft with one task is better at that task than a multirole aircraft. The Eagle airframe is multirole because you've got the Eagle and Strike Eagle on the same airframe. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-09-2004, 07:19 AM	#112
toffi Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 76	All these mentioned by plan_D joined USAF many years ago. Right now there is a tendency to put every possible task into one aircraft. __________________ WWW.Munavia-21.org WWW.Histavia21.net

08-09-2004, 08:20 AM	#113
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	The B-2 and F-15 were both in the days of the multi-role thinking. They both prove that multi-role aircraft are inferior in specific tasks. If these planes were not capable, or even superior, then why would they keep them around. No one aircraft alone can be the master of all trades. The B-2 is a better bomber than the F/A-18. The A-10 is a better ground attack aircraft than the F-22. The B-52 can only be matched in carpet bombing by the B-2, another bomber. The F-15E surpasses all but the F/A-22 in the fighter role. Multi-Role aircraft are a jack of all trades, a master of none. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-09-2004, 04:23 PM	#114
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	but it's cheaper to but one aircraft that is alright-ish at all tasks than 3 or 4 that do different roles really well................... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

08-10-2004, 12:15 AM	#115
Lightning Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,512	How about the JSF? F/A-18? F/A-22 has been mentioned. Virtually every aircraft CURRENTLY under development is being designed to fill more than one role. __________________

08-10-2004, 12:41 PM	#116
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Obviously you don't understand a single thing I have said. I NEVER said that aircraft under current development were not multi-role, I stated that the multi-role aircraft is inferior in one task to an aircraft that is designed for that task. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-10-2004, 02:18 PM	#117
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	which is what i said, or were you having a go at LG?? __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

08-10-2004, 03:08 PM	#118
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	LG. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

08-11-2004, 12:49 AM	#119
Lightning Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,512	I would agree with that but the simple fact is that nation's can no longer afford to develop mission-specific aircraft. __________________

08-11-2004, 05:48 AM	#120
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	No one denied that fact. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

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