The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII... Finalized.... - Page 17 - Aircraft of World War II

renrich · 01-31-2007, 05:28 PM

Your list is impressive But I believe Joe Foss ought to make the list. He made a lot of chicken salad out of chicken feathers.

lesofprimus · 01-31-2007, 06:25 PM

Joe Foss was on the previous polls that eventually led to this one....

Foss got ZERO votes...

Lt. Mereel · 01-31-2007, 06:43 PM

Erich Hartmann i might as well go with.

lesofprimus · 01-31-2007, 06:47 PM

WTF is the matter with u kid??? In one thread u said he wasnt the best, then u state the exact opposite here...

lesofprimus · 01-31-2007, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mereel

I wouldnt say the best, but he is up there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mereel

Erich Hartmann i might as well go with.

Well, which is it???

Erich · 01-31-2007, 07:14 PM

as stated for obvious reasons in earlier threads Herr Hartmann was not the best the Luftwaffe had to offer. An excellent pilot then yes he was. having the highest score does not prove you are the best whatever that really means anyway. . . . .........

Bernhart · 01-31-2007, 07:56 PM

I think this is one of those discussions where there will never be a right answer. there are other guys for consederation that are not on the list either. Veron woodward did well with p-40,s in the desert, you didn't mention any polish pilots, some who had sucesses in Poland and France with obselete airplanes, then there were the finns who did well in airplanes everyone considered obselete. not sure who of the list I would say was the best, maybe the German guy(can't think of his name right now) but he shot down 44 4 engine bombers

Erich · 01-31-2007, 08:01 PM

Bernhart the chap you mention with 44 4-engine kills flying the 109G had his final score reduced to only 12/13.

most likely it would be assumed the pilot(s) with the most action in the most theaters in war with the most years of service - most missions gained, not necessary to have the most kill claims

lesofprimus · 01-31-2007, 08:33 PM

Which is why Heinz Bar is my pick, with Ivan Kozhedub a close 2nd...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-01-2007, 09:41 AM

This is what I stated in the other thread.

Erich Hartmann was not the best there was and not the best technical fighter pilot, but he did end up the highest scoring ace of all times. Therefore for me he is the best of the best.

However now having said that and this is what I have said in other posts in this thread. The best fighter pilot in my opinion and I agree with Les on this is Heinz Baer.

zebraa51 · 03-03-2007, 11:28 AM

The Reason i Picked Mr. Galland was not Only did he Have a position inn the German Luftwaffe being a General meaning he could have jes sit down and let the Young Pup`s Have a good Go at It But He Didn`t Plus If a Few Inn the Higher Ups That was Running The German Show would Have Just Listened Too Gen. Galland when he spoke up about a New Tool That They had at the Ready Meaning The Me262 The Germans Might have Faired why why Differant than the way things turned out inn the End...... Inn Other Words Mr. galland Lead By Example and he also Showed and Tuaght His Fledgling`s Very Very we`ll . Erich Hartmann is still the highest scoring Ace of all Times with his 352 confirmed Kills

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-03-2007, 11:42 AM

It is very hard to read your posts.

My spelling and stuff is not the best either but damn boy. Its no Inn but rather In. Also the grammar is horrid.

I am not making fun of you or anything but it is just very hard to follow your posts. Is English your first language? If not that would explain it.

By the way this site does have a spell checker.

lesofprimus · 03-03-2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Erich Hartmann is still the highest scoring Ace of all Times with his 352 confirmed Kills

That number has never been "confirmed", nor will it ever, it is just the "socially" accepted number for historical purposes....

bigZ · 03-03-2007, 02:17 PM

Zebraa its now thought that apart from his early comrades, Galland had a disdain for the pilots who were trained after 43. These later pilots nicknamed him the 'Perfume factory'. He was considered to be a snivelling lackey of Gorings.

lesofprimus · 03-03-2007, 02:18 PM

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He was considered to be a snivelling lackey of Gorings.

Bullsh!t...

View Poll Results: The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII..........
Ivan Kozhedub, 62 Kills	104	7.72%
Alexandr Pokryshkin, 59 Kills	46	3.41%
Hans-Joachim Marseille, 158 Kills	194	14.40%
Erich Hartmann, 352 Kills	304	22.57%
Adolf Galland, 104 Kills	83	6.16%
Heinz Bar, 221 Kills	136	10.10%
Walter Nowotny, 259 Kills	75	5.57%
Josef Priller, 101 Kills	40	2.97%
Dick Bong, 40 Kills	47	3.49%
David McCampbell, 34 Kills	35	2.60%
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, 87 Kills	67	4.97%
Saburo Sakai, 64 Kills	27	2.00%
Marmaduke St. John Pattle, 62 Kills	96	7.13%
Johnnie Johnson, 38 Kills	53	3.93%
Thomas McGuire, 38 Kills	40	2.97%
Voters: 1347. You may not vote on this poll

01-31-2007, 06:25 PM	#242
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,432	Joe Foss was on the previous polls that eventually led to this one.... Foss got ZERO votes... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

01-31-2007, 06:43 PM	#243
Lt. Mereel Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado. Posts: 31	Erich Hartmann i might as well go with. __________________ Spitfire, P-51, and P-40 are the best aircraft in the war.

01-31-2007, 06:47 PM	#244
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,432	WTF is the matter with u kid??? In one thread u said he wasnt the best, then u state the exact opposite here... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

01-31-2007, 07:14 PM	#246
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,093	as stated for obvious reasons in earlier threads Herr Hartmann was not the best the Luftwaffe had to offer. An excellent pilot then yes he was. having the highest score does not prove you are the best whatever that really means anyway. . . . ......... __________________ Rip it up !

01-31-2007, 05:28 PM	#241
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,500	Your list is impressive But I believe Joe Foss ought to make the list. He made a lot of chicken salad out of chicken feathers.

01-31-2007, 07:56 PM	#247
Bernhart Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 220	I think this is one of those discussions where there will never be a right answer. there are other guys for consederation that are not on the list either. Veron woodward did well with p-40,s in the desert, you didn't mention any polish pilots, some who had sucesses in Poland and France with obselete airplanes, then there were the finns who did well in airplanes everyone considered obselete. not sure who of the list I would say was the best, maybe the German guy(can't think of his name right now) but he shot down 44 4 engine bombers

01-31-2007, 08:01 PM	#248
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,093	Bernhart the chap you mention with 44 4-engine kills flying the 109G had his final score reduced to only 12/13. most likely it would be assumed the pilot(s) with the most action in the most theaters in war with the most years of service - most missions gained, not necessary to have the most kill claims __________________ Rip it up !

01-31-2007, 08:33 PM	#249
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,432	Which is why Heinz Bar is my pick, with Ivan Kozhedub a close 2nd... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

02-01-2007, 09:41 AM	#250
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,047	This is what I stated in the other thread. Erich Hartmann was not the best there was and not the best technical fighter pilot, but he did end up the highest scoring ace of all times. Therefore for me he is the best of the best. However now having said that and this is what I have said in other posts in this thread. The best fighter pilot in my opinion and I agree with Les on this is Heinz Baer. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

03-03-2007, 11:28 AM	#251
zebraa51 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 10	The Reason i Picked Mr. Galland was not Only did he Have a position inn the German Luftwaffe being a General meaning he could have jes sit down and let the Young Pup`s Have a good Go at It But He Didn`t Plus If a Few Inn the Higher Ups That was Running The German Show would Have Just Listened Too Gen. Galland when he spoke up about a New Tool That They had at the Ready Meaning The Me262 The Germans Might have Faired why why Differant than the way things turned out inn the End...... Inn Other Words Mr. galland Lead By Example and he also Showed and Tuaght His Fledgling`s Very Very we`ll . Erich Hartmann is still the highest scoring Ace of all Times with his 352 confirmed Kills

03-03-2007, 11:42 AM	#252
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,047	It is very hard to read your posts. My spelling and stuff is not the best either but damn boy. Its no Inn but rather In. Also the grammar is horrid. I am not making fun of you or anything but it is just very hard to follow your posts. Is English your first language? If not that would explain it. By the way this site does have a spell checker. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

03-03-2007, 02:17 PM	#254
bigZ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 570	Zebraa its now thought that apart from his early comrades, Galland had a disdain for the pilots who were trained after 43. These later pilots nicknamed him the 'Perfume factory'. He was considered to be a snivelling lackey of Gorings. __________________ Lord Flasheart: [about planes] Always treat your kite like you treat your woman. Lieutenant George: How do you mean, sir? Do you mean, take her home at the week-end to meet your mother? Lord Flasheart: No! I mean get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back! Captain Blackadder: I'm beginning to see why the suffragette movement are wanting the vote. Lord Flasheart: Hey, hey! Any girl who wants to chain herself to my railings and suffer a jet movement gets my vote!

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