 | The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII... Finalized....| Polls Discuss The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII... Finalized.... in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by freebird
Was the P-40 unpopular at the time? (1941 - 1942)
Unless you got a P-38 ... |
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View Poll Results: The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII.......... | |
Ivan Kozhedub, 62 Kills
|    | 101 | 7.92% | |
Alexandr Pokryshkin, 59 Kills
|    | 45 | 3.53% | |
Hans-Joachim Marseille, 158 Kills
|    | 178 | 13.95% | |
Erich Hartmann, 352 Kills
|    | 274 | 21.47% | |
Adolf Galland, 104 Kills
|    | 77 | 6.03% | |
Heinz Bar, 221 Kills
|    | 132 | 10.34% | |
Walter Nowotny, 259 Kills
| | 75 | 5.88% | |
Josef Priller, 101 Kills
| | 40 | 3.13% | |
Dick Bong, 40 Kills
| | 45 | 3.53% | |
David McCampbell, 34 Kills
| | 33 | 2.59% | |
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, 87 Kills
| | 66 | 5.17% | |
Saburo Sakai, 64 Kills
| | 24 | 1.88% | |
Marmaduke St. John Pattle, 62 Kills
| | 96 | 7.52% | |
Johnnie Johnson, 38 Kills
| | 50 | 3.92% | |
Thomas McGuire, 38 Kills
| | 40 | 3.13% | 
01-29-2008, 09:17 AM
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#316 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by freebird  Was the P-40 unpopular at the time? (1941 - 1942)
Unless you got a P-38 or a Spitfire, was the P-40 that much worse than the alternatives? (I mean Allies aircraft of course, Hurricane, P-39, Buffalo)
It would probably beat having to fly in a p-35, P-36, Defiant, Roc, or Gladiator.... | I think its coming down to say the P-40 was a very under-rated fighter.
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01-29-2008, 02:56 PM
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#317 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | There were several polls that lead up to this one guys.... Barkhorn was on a previous poll and got zero votes.....
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01-29-2008, 06:10 PM
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Country:  | I'd like to nominate Lloyd Chadburn as possibly the best allied pilot in the eto with 14 destoyed 6 probables 6 damaged 2 eboats destroyed , while escorting 60 9th airforce(they called him the angel) bombing missions lost only a B 26 . In one mission on 3 nov 43 of the 15 109's attempting to intercept the 26's 9 were shot down. He was killed in a mid air shortly after D Day
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01-30-2008, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Barkhorn was on a previous poll and got zero votes..... | Pretty sad as he was an excellent pilot, arguably in the top 3.
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01-30-2008, 05:24 AM
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#320 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Agreed Soren....
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01-30-2008, 07:02 PM
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Country: | earlier I advocated Mayer and Bar but would never argue against Barkhorn or several others in the list.
When I first saw the list the several Japanese aces (nishizawa and sakai) that fought (and survived) all the way, often with a/c that were less capable were also clear candidates. Those two went a long way proving it's the guy not the a/c - just like Foss, etc
No way to objectively pick a 'best' from my perspective as many 'bests' were KIA by 'lesser skilled' pilots? so, best 'who didn't make it' versus 'best who did' might also be a category
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02-22-2008, 01:33 PM
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I would like to mention about Witold Urbanowicz. He was flying in BoB (303 squadron) and later in China (Flying Tigers). He scored 28 kills.
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02-22-2008, 02:10 PM
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#323 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | While moments of individual heroism are great points to a truly gifted pilot, to overlook what the Luftwaffe Aces went through, for as long as they did; to rack up 100's of kills on different fronts, is beyond the scope of what a guy with 28 or 40 or even 60 kills can hope to achieve...
Heinz Baer, with 132 votes so far ranking him 3rd, is in my opinion the greatest ever.... Marseille most likely had it in the bag if it werent for the damn chute, and Hartmanns inferior opponents detracts from his whoppin unconfirmed score...
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02-22-2008, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus While moments of individual heroism are great points to a truly gifted pilot, to overlook what the Luftwaffe Aces went through, for as long as they did; to rack up 100's of kills on different fronts, is beyond the scope of what a guy with 28 or 40 or even 60 kills can hope to achieve...
Heinz Baer, with 132 votes so far ranking him 3rd, is in my opinion the greatest ever.... Marseille most likely had it in the bag if it werent for the damn chute, and Hartmanns inferior opponents detracts from his whoppin unconfirmed score... | Baer (Bar with the funny 'a') is my personal choice. I don't know how I would ever be totally objective about this discussion which is why I didn't have a lot of posts on it..
SUBJECTIVELY, the guys that confronted quality and quantity and thrived have to be separated and put in one bucket that says 'look here first'.. the second bucket is the pot with aces having the highest totals against tough to very tough opposition. IF the second bucket has a mix of opposition, look at the totals against the tough opposition and compare against the first
Combine the top guys with the top opposition and look at the 'epoch' in which they scored. Would Marseille have scored as fast as he did battling RAF and USAAF in equal quality fighters in greater numbers? as Egon Mayer, Bar, etc?
That is where my head is on this - and I 'flung' a dart at the top three for me and it was Bar...with deepest respect to Rall, Barkhorn and Hartmann. | |
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02-22-2008, 02:29 PM
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#325 | | Minister of Whoopass
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