The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII... Finalized.... - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

GermansRGeniuses · 06-02-2005, 08:42 PM

Marsielle.

lesofprimus · 06-02-2005, 08:55 PM

Speaking of someone who shot down a crapload of shiitass planes, Marseille wins the top prize........

FLYBOYJ · 06-02-2005, 10:45 PM

I don't know Les, I really wouldn't call the P-40 a total piece of crap, maybe a little sh*tty. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to face an ME-109 or a -190 in one, but the "Tigers" did do well with it, but as you pointed out earlier, "PILOT SKILL."

Many Commonwealth nations used the P-40 and it served them well. In the ground support role, it did well considering it was available in numbers. From what I understand, it was easy to maintain, easy to fix (I know, it probably had a lot of holes to patch up) and had a huge logistic support network. I don't know, if I had a choice between a P-40 and a P-39, I think I would go for the 40.

You know maybe that's a good idea for a new topic?!? "If you had to fly a piece of crap, which one would you fly?"

Nonskimmer · 06-02-2005, 10:52 PM

Do it, FBJ! I bet it'll be an interesting topic.

lesofprimus · 06-02-2005, 10:55 PM

Im exaggerating slightly to make my point...

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I don't know, if I had a choice between a P-40 and a P-39, I think I would go for the 40.

I agree...

Erich · 06-02-2005, 11:27 PM

by the way Marseille shot down 76 P-40's.

what the heck is a P-46 as this craft was opposed by I./JG 27 pilots in Afrika ?

Marseille though was a brilliant deflection shot but personally he would of been KIA in the Reichsverteidigung with his gruppe....

FLYBOYJ · 06-02-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich

what the heck is a P-46 as this craft was opposed by I./JG 27 pilots in Afrika ?

Do you mean a P-36?

Erich · 06-02-2005, 11:35 PM

no, P-46 as it is listed in the German Abschüsse listings. U maybe right about a P-36 but this is what they have written down. quite a few claimed by the I./JG 27 Afrika boyz

FLYBOYJ · 06-02-2005, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

no, P-46 as it is listed in the German Abschüsse listings. U maybe right about a P-36 but this is what they have written down. quite a few claimed by the I./JG 27 Afrika boyz

The RAF decided that its Mohawks were not suitable for the European theater, and sent 72 of them to the South African Air Force where they were flown by the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Squadrons which operated in East Africa. Perhaps this explains these claims?

Erich · 06-02-2005, 11:52 PM

that probably is correct....

I./JG 27 claimed :

262 P-40's

37 P-46's

this for their time in Afrika till November 15, 1942, when Fw. Gustav Sturm shot down a B-24 for his 1st victory south of El Agheila and the last of the I. gruppe in Afrika, returned to the West and fighting in March of 43 against RAF and US forces over France.

Erich · 06-03-2005, 12:46 AM

side note : 263 P-40's claimed by II./JG 27 while in Afrika

Bushranger · 06-03-2005, 04:32 AM

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And the P-40 was a piece of shiit dude..... No one will deny that, except u maybe.....

I agree, to an extent. It definitely wasn't the best fighter available, but it was the most [i[most[/i] available. And it got the job done, if it was THAT bad it would have been withdrawen.

plan_D · 06-03-2005, 09:52 AM

The Mohawk was a great aircraft, the only problem was that it was a little slow. The P-40 wasn't a good aircraft, it was just in high supply and in 1940-'42 the RAF was using anything and everything they could get their hands on.

In the hands of the right pilot it was good. The AVG performed almost miracles in those things.

FLYBOYJ · 06-03-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plan_D

The Mohawk was a great aircraft, the only problem was that it was a little slow. The P-40 wasn't a good aircraft, it was just in high supply and in 1940-'42 the RAF was using anything and everything they could get their hands on.

In the hands of the right pilot it was good. The AVG performed almost miracles in those things.

Hey D - here's a great site on the Mohawk:

http://curtisshawk75.bravepages.com/

lesofprimus · 06-03-2005, 07:20 PM

Guys, ur kinda getting confused here... For theatrics, I am over-embelishing the lack luster performance of the P-40 Warhawk... Yea, Chenault and his boys, including Boyington, did a good job fighting the Japanese, when the Japanese had a huge advantage....

But what really set those guys apart from the Japs was the tactics.... Chenault was a God back then..... And he knew his shiit....

I remember, in Boyingtons book, he tells a story about how Chenault had the Tigers all lined up, comin outta the sun, as the Japs attacked their field.... Boyington wanted to drop in on em, but Chenault said wait wait wait..... Finally after they were done strafing and whatnot, he orders the bounce........

Zeros with no ammo and on bingo fuel......... How lucious is that meal????

They tore em to pieces....

The -40 was an ok plane that was produced in WAAAYYYY too many #'s.... Same as the P-39...... A POS as well.... But look how some of the Russians did flying that crate......... They used superb tactics as well.....

ANyways...... The -40 was outclassed in every theatre of the War..... That some were able to achieve success in it proves tactics and pilot skill DO matter....

View Poll Results: The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII..........
Ivan Kozhedub, 62 Kills	104	7.78%
Alexandr Pokryshkin, 59 Kills	46	3.44%
Hans-Joachim Marseille, 158 Kills	192	14.37%
Erich Hartmann, 352 Kills	300	22.46%
Adolf Galland, 104 Kills	82	6.14%
Heinz Bar, 221 Kills	134	10.03%
Walter Nowotny, 259 Kills	75	5.61%
Josef Priller, 101 Kills	40	2.99%
Dick Bong, 40 Kills	47	3.52%
David McCampbell, 34 Kills	35	2.62%
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, 87 Kills	66	4.94%
Saburo Sakai, 64 Kills	26	1.95%
Marmaduke St. John Pattle, 62 Kills	96	7.19%
Johnnie Johnson, 38 Kills	53	3.97%
Thomas McGuire, 38 Kills	40	2.99%
Voters: 1336. You may not vote on this poll

06-02-2005, 08:42 PM	#31
GermansRGeniuses Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,043	Marsielle. __________________ Holder of "Crappiest Post Ever" Award. 2005 Palos Verdes Concours d'Elegance Thread

06-02-2005, 08:55 PM	#32
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Speaking of someone who shot down a crapload of shiitass planes, Marseille wins the top prize........ __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-02-2005, 10:45 PM	#33
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	I don't know Les, I really wouldn't call the P-40 a total piece of crap, maybe a little shtty. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to face an ME-109 or a -190 in one, but the "Tigers" did do well with it, but as you pointed out earlier, "PILOT SKILL." Many Commonwealth nations used the P-40 and it served them well. In the ground support role, it did well considering it was available in numbers. From what I understand, it was easy to maintain, easy to fix (I know, it probably had a lot of holes to patch up) and had a huge logistic support network. I don't know, if I had a choice between a P-40 and a P-39, I think I would go for the 40. You know maybe that's a good idea for a new topic?!? "If you had to fly a piece of crap, which one would you fly?" __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"*

06-02-2005, 11:27 PM	#36
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	by the way Marseille shot down 76 P-40's. what the heck is a P-46 as this craft was opposed by I./JG 27 pilots in Afrika ? Marseille though was a brilliant deflection shot but personally he would of been KIA in the Reichsverteidigung with his gruppe.... __________________ Rip it up !

06-02-2005, 10:52 PM	#34
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Do it, FBJ! I bet it'll be an interesting topic.

06-02-2005, 11:35 PM	#38
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	no, P-46 as it is listed in the German Abschüsse listings. U maybe right about a P-36 but this is what they have written down. quite a few claimed by the I./JG 27 Afrika boyz __________________ Rip it up !

06-02-2005, 11:52 PM	#40
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	that probably is correct.... I./JG 27 claimed : 262 P-40's 37 P-46's this for their time in Afrika till November 15, 1942, when Fw. Gustav Sturm shot down a B-24 for his 1st victory south of El Agheila and the last of the I. gruppe in Afrika, returned to the West and fighting in March of 43 against RAF and US forces over France. __________________ Rip it up !

06-03-2005, 12:46 AM	#41
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	side note : 263 P-40's claimed by II./JG 27 while in Afrika __________________ Rip it up !

06-03-2005, 09:52 AM	#43
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	The Mohawk was a great aircraft, the only problem was that it was a little slow. The P-40 wasn't a good aircraft, it was just in high supply and in 1940-'42 the RAF was using anything and everything they could get their hands on. In the hands of the right pilot it was good. The AVG performed almost miracles in those things. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-03-2005, 07:20 PM	#45
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Guys, ur kinda getting confused here... For theatrics, I am over-embelishing the lack luster performance of the P-40 Warhawk... Yea, Chenault and his boys, including Boyington, did a good job fighting the Japanese, when the Japanese had a huge advantage.... But what really set those guys apart from the Japs was the tactics.... Chenault was a God back then..... And he knew his shiit.... I remember, in Boyingtons book, he tells a story about how Chenault had the Tigers all lined up, comin outta the sun, as the Japs attacked their field.... Boyington wanted to drop in on em, but Chenault said wait wait wait..... Finally after they were done strafing and whatnot, he orders the bounce........ Zeros with no ammo and on bingo fuel......... How lucious is that meal???? They tore em to pieces.... The -40 was an ok plane that was produced in WAAAYYYY too many #'s.... Same as the P-39...... A POS as well.... But look how some of the Russians did flying that crate......... They used superb tactics as well..... ANyways...... The -40 was outclassed in every theatre of the War..... That some were able to achieve success in it proves tactics and pilot skill DO matter.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

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