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View Poll Results: The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII..........
Ivan Kozhedub, 62 Kills 104 7.78%
Alexandr Pokryshkin, 59 Kills 46 3.44%
Hans-Joachim Marseille, 158 Kills 192 14.37%
Erich Hartmann, 352 Kills 300 22.46%
Adolf Galland, 104 Kills 82 6.14%
Heinz Bar, 221 Kills 134 10.03%
Walter Nowotny, 259 Kills 75 5.61%
Josef Priller, 101 Kills 40 2.99%
Dick Bong, 40 Kills 47 3.52%
David McCampbell, 34 Kills 35 2.62%
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, 87 Kills 66 4.94%
Saburo Sakai, 64 Kills 26 1.95%
Marmaduke St. John Pattle, 62 Kills 96 7.19%
Johnnie Johnson, 38 Kills 53 3.97%
Thomas McGuire, 38 Kills 40 2.99%
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Old 06-02-2005, 08:42 PM   #31
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Old 06-02-2005, 08:55 PM   #32
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Speaking of someone who shot down a crapload of shiitass planes, Marseille wins the top prize........
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Old 06-02-2005, 10:45 PM   #33
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I don't know Les, I really wouldn't call the P-40 a total piece of crap, maybe a little sh*tty. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to face an ME-109 or a -190 in one, but the "Tigers" did do well with it, but as you pointed out earlier, "PILOT SKILL."

Many Commonwealth nations used the P-40 and it served them well. In the ground support role, it did well considering it was available in numbers. From what I understand, it was easy to maintain, easy to fix (I know, it probably had a lot of holes to patch up) and had a huge logistic support network. I don't know, if I had a choice between a P-40 and a P-39, I think I would go for the 40.

You know maybe that's a good idea for a new topic?!? "If you had to fly a piece of crap, which one would you fly?"
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Do it, FBJ! I bet it'll be an interesting topic.
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Old 06-02-2005, 10:55 PM   #35
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Im exaggerating slightly to make my point...
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I don't know, if I had a choice between a P-40 and a P-39, I think I would go for the 40.
I agree...
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Old 06-02-2005, 11:27 PM   #36
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by the way Marseille shot down 76 P-40's.

what the heck is a P-46 as this craft was opposed by I./JG 27 pilots in Afrika ?

Marseille though was a brilliant deflection shot but personally he would of been KIA in the Reichsverteidigung with his gruppe....
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what the heck is a P-46 as this craft was opposed by I./JG 27 pilots in Afrika ?
Do you mean a P-36?
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no, P-46 as it is listed in the German Abschüsse listings. U maybe right about a P-36 but this is what they have written down. quite a few claimed by the I./JG 27 Afrika boyz
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no, P-46 as it is listed in the German Abschüsse listings. U maybe right about a P-36 but this is what they have written down. quite a few claimed by the I./JG 27 Afrika boyz
The RAF decided that its Mohawks were not suitable for the European theater, and sent 72 of them to the South African Air Force where they were flown by the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Squadrons which operated in East Africa. Perhaps this explains these claims?
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that probably is correct....

I./JG 27 claimed :

262 P-40's

37 P-46's

this for their time in Afrika till November 15, 1942, when Fw. Gustav Sturm shot down a B-24 for his 1st victory south of El Agheila and the last of the I. gruppe in Afrika, returned to the West and fighting in March of 43 against RAF and US forces over France.
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side note : 263 P-40's claimed by II./JG 27 while in Afrika
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And the P-40 was a piece of shiit dude..... No one will deny that, except u maybe.....
I agree, to an extent. It definitely wasn't the best fighter available, but it was the most [i[most[/i] available. And it got the job done, if it was THAT bad it would have been withdrawen.
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The Mohawk was a great aircraft, the only problem was that it was a little slow. The P-40 wasn't a good aircraft, it was just in high supply and in 1940-'42 the RAF was using anything and everything they could get their hands on.

In the hands of the right pilot it was good. The AVG performed almost miracles in those things.
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The Mohawk was a great aircraft, the only problem was that it was a little slow. The P-40 wasn't a good aircraft, it was just in high supply and in 1940-'42 the RAF was using anything and everything they could get their hands on.

In the hands of the right pilot it was good. The AVG performed almost miracles in those things.
Hey D - here's a great site on the Mohawk:

http://curtisshawk75.bravepages.com/
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Guys, ur kinda getting confused here... For theatrics, I am over-embelishing the lack luster performance of the P-40 Warhawk... Yea, Chenault and his boys, including Boyington, did a good job fighting the Japanese, when the Japanese had a huge advantage....

But what really set those guys apart from the Japs was the tactics.... Chenault was a God back then..... And he knew his shiit....

I remember, in Boyingtons book, he tells a story about how Chenault had the Tigers all lined up, comin outta the sun, as the Japs attacked their field.... Boyington wanted to drop in on em, but Chenault said wait wait wait..... Finally after they were done strafing and whatnot, he orders the bounce........

Zeros with no ammo and on bingo fuel......... How lucious is that meal????

They tore em to pieces....

The -40 was an ok plane that was produced in WAAAYYYY too many #'s.... Same as the P-39...... A POS as well.... But look how some of the Russians did flying that crate......... They used superb tactics as well.....

ANyways...... The -40 was outclassed in every theatre of the War..... That some were able to achieve success in it proves tactics and pilot skill DO matter....
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