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Ivan Kozhedub, 62 Kills
|    | 101 | 7.92% | |
Alexandr Pokryshkin, 59 Kills
|    | 45 | 3.53% | |
Hans-Joachim Marseille, 158 Kills
|    | 177 | 13.88% | |
Erich Hartmann, 352 Kills
|    | 274 | 21.49% | |
Adolf Galland, 104 Kills
|    | 77 | 6.04% | |
Heinz Bar, 221 Kills
|    | 132 | 10.35% | |
Walter Nowotny, 259 Kills
| | 75 | 5.88% | |
Josef Priller, 101 Kills
| | 40 | 3.14% | |
Dick Bong, 40 Kills
| | 45 | 3.53% | |
David McCampbell, 34 Kills
| | 33 | 2.59% | |
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, 87 Kills
| | 66 | 5.18% | |
Saburo Sakai, 64 Kills
| | 24 | 1.88% | |
Marmaduke St. John Pattle, 62 Kills
| | 96 | 7.53% | |
Johnnie Johnson, 38 Kills
| | 50 | 3.92% | |
Thomas McGuire, 38 Kills
| | 40 | 3.14% | 
06-03-2005, 07:45 PM
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#46 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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06-04-2005, 03:45 PM
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Country:  | Also, the P-39 and P-40 were designed to the same specification as the P-38...and look how much better the P-38 was.
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06-04-2005, 06:51 PM
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Country:  | I couldn't agree more, les. That is an amazing site, FB. The Hawk-75 is well under-rated.
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06-04-2005, 11:48 PM
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#49 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Get the Magazine (I think its Wings) were Steve Hinton gives his review on the Hawk-75. Amazing it took 65 years to realize this!
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06-05-2005, 04:28 AM
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| Frank Versteegh just simply is the best! 
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06-05-2005, 06:09 PM
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| i read this on the internet:
Every great ace has his own distinct style. Hans-Joachim Marseille had his deflection shot at unbelievable angles, Erich Hartmann would have his 'close-range' shot. The strategy whereby you come so close to the enemy aircraft,' that your canopy glass fills with the enemy craft's mass,' and then you fire. Hartmann would become legendary for this tactic. Making him the highest scoring German Ace with 352 kills of all kinds of aircraft. The only other fighter pilot really worth mentioning with Hartmann would have to be Hans-Joachim Marseille, the 'Star of Africa'. The controversy comes into play because of those who consider 3 Russian fighter planes being equal to one western-flown fighterplane. That being so then one is tempted to name Marseille with his 158kills( all against British aircraft) as the premiere fighter pilot.
Hence, as marseille was only 22 when he died, shot down over 150 aircraft within a year without being shot down himself, shot down 17 in one day, shot down some in one sortie with just two 7.62mm's, outturned spits in his bf 109 and so on , I think it's rightful to call him the best deflection shooter and (dog)fighter pilot of WWII. | |
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06-05-2005, 06:14 PM
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#52 | | the old Sage
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Country: | sorry but Heinz Bär could outdo either one of the greats you posted
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06-05-2005, 06:23 PM
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#53 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | I agree erich... Im not really sure shooting down hapless Brits in their P-40's and 16 year old Russian kids flying wooden planes counts as being the best...... Bar fought EVERYWHERE, in EVERY front.... And dominated in each Theatre...
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06-05-2005, 07:10 PM
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Country: | He wasn't a great fighter pilot as such but I think Hubert Zemke was an amazing flight leader. I'm reading 'Zemke's Stalag' at the moment and although it's primarily about his time in Stalagluft I it gives little bits of information of his fighting career and also the such dedication and leadership abilities he had.
In anything about pilots I think he would always deserve a mention as the leader of the greatest collection of U.S fighter pilots in the ETO, the 56th FG.
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06-05-2005, 07:38 PM
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#55 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Zemke was a great pilot, and a greater leader... A tough sumbitch... He knocked down his share of enemy planes...
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06-05-2005, 07:55 PM
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Country: | Zemke's Wolfpack are famous, or notorious, whichever you choose! But he was an amazing guy. I think he was one of those leaders you would follow to the gates of hell itself.
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06-05-2005, 08:11 PM
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Country: | Some of the stories from "The Hub's" war after he was shot down are just as amazing as those from in his cockpit.
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06-05-2005, 08:59 PM
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Country: | Another one was Col. Glenn Eagleson - I've seen him on documentaries, crusty but real funny!
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06-05-2005, 09:15 PM
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#59 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I knew Hub, and interesting character.........just like Gabby Gabreski
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06-05-2005, 09:39 PM
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#60 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | I've met Gabby before, awhile back, but never met Zemke.. Heard some great stories about him, some true, some 60 years old... Hehe..
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