 | The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII... Finalized....| Polls Discuss The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII... Finalized.... in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by -JJH-
Hey, where is Eino Ilmari Juutilainen?
I'd say he should be up there too, after ... |
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View Poll Results: The Greatest Fighter Pilot of WWII.......... | |
Ivan Kozhedub, 62 Kills
|    | 101 | 7.92% | |
Alexandr Pokryshkin, 59 Kills
|    | 45 | 3.53% | |
Hans-Joachim Marseille, 158 Kills
|    | 177 | 13.88% | |
Erich Hartmann, 352 Kills
|    | 274 | 21.49% | |
Adolf Galland, 104 Kills
|    | 77 | 6.04% | |
Heinz Bar, 221 Kills
|    | 132 | 10.35% | |
Walter Nowotny, 259 Kills
| | 75 | 5.88% | |
Josef Priller, 101 Kills
| | 40 | 3.14% | |
Dick Bong, 40 Kills
| | 45 | 3.53% | |
David McCampbell, 34 Kills
| | 33 | 2.59% | |
Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, 87 Kills
| | 66 | 5.18% | |
Saburo Sakai, 64 Kills
| | 24 | 1.88% | |
Marmaduke St. John Pattle, 62 Kills
| | 96 | 7.53% | |
Johnnie Johnson, 38 Kills
| | 50 | 3.92% | |
Thomas McGuire, 38 Kills
| | 40 | 3.14% | 
01-11-2006, 03:51 AM
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#106 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by -JJH- Hey, where is Eino Ilmari Juutilainen?
I'd say he should be up there too, after all he is Finnish Air Force top ace with 94 1/6 kills. He also flew both in Winter War and in Continuation War. In addition, no Russian pilot EVER managed to hit his aircraft, all damage that his aircraft suffered was by flak! 
-JJ- | Yes he was a great pilot, and he is very worth mentioning I just think that there are about 20 or more pilots that rank above him.
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01-12-2006, 07:29 AM
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#107 | | Senior Member
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or that Finnish pilot, the Juutilainen.
I read this thing on how finnish pilots were trained, it said that they would fly at very loose formations at an advantageous position then attack from nowhere... if u were a soviet pilot.
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01-12-2006, 08:03 AM
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| Hartmann never lost a wingman - that alone is the reason he gets my vote. | |
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01-12-2006, 08:42 AM
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#109 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I voted Hartmann but if I could vote twice the other guy would Heinz Bar.
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01-12-2006, 11:17 AM
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Country:  | I have voted for Hartmann as well, not sure who would be second as there a lot of viable candidiates in my opinion.
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01-12-2006, 11:19 AM
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#111 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | After looking over this lengthy thread for months I have have come to the conclusion in my opinion ................ none of the above | |
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01-12-2006, 11:48 AM
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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01-12-2006, 11:51 AM
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#113 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I am still deciding, as it would probably be an unknown that served in the Reichsverteidigung in 44-45 and then posisbly the last stint on the Ost front against numerous Soviet a/c. possibly Oskar Romm but will have to think further on this .... | |
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01-12-2006, 12:01 PM
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Country: | Ahh Osker Romm, with his 92 victories. He is not a bad choice. Most of victories were on the east front and being Il-2s.
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01-12-2006, 12:06 PM
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Country: | A SturmFw pilot in IV.Sturm/JG 3 and then as Gruppenkommandeur he was one of the leading scorers flying the Dora 9 on the Ost front. flew 3 different Doras of the Gruppenstab. A very gracious man with his knowledge and highly overlooked as one of Germany's best pilots | |
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01-12-2006, 12:08 PM
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#116 | | the old Sage
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01-12-2006, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Erich I am still deciding, as it would probably be an unknown that served in the Reichsverteidigung in 44-45 and then posisbly the last stint on the Ost front against numerous Soviet a/c. possibly Oskar Romm but will have to think further on this .... |
Please explain Eric why him? He shot down 92 a/c "only" and 82 of those were in the east, 10 were western and 8 of those were bombers. I know more about the pilots then the planes (just my point of interest, I have always found the men more interesting then the machines). I do have my pick but I am still thinking about back and forth. I will decide soon. Eric you know that I highly respect your thoughts on anything to do with Germany but why are you considering Oskar?
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01-12-2006, 12:14 PM
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| Shouldnt one way of determing who was the best among the aces is to compare their kill rate per sortie where combat occured?
Robert Johnson of the 56th FG had an impressive kill rate by itself and it compared among the best of the German pilots where anytime he got into a fight, he shot someone down.
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01-12-2006, 12:18 PM
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#119 | | the old Sage
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Country: | possibly in his honesty as a human being. He was not an overachiever meaning he did not bolster his score so he could be eleveated. total scores mean othing to me but tactics and where served and the giving of their stories openly and not hyped as some of the living aces have from both sides of the conflict. Oskar for one is credited with many kills on both fronts but also an associated number of different types of a/c. and also flying several a/c types which again proves his excellent mental state as a pilot. I truly believe had he been given the chance he would of proved himself quite able in the Me 262 and there are also several noted pilots of interest that flew in JG 7 that also flew prop drivens earlier in the war that are hardly even given credence. These latter pilots knew without doubt that every mission flown was suicide | |
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01-12-2006, 07:40 PM
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Country: | To repeat my previous statement, Heinz Bar, IMO, was head and shoulders above the rest of the field...
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