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05-09-2008, 04:37 PM
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Country:  | Hawker Hurricane vs Me 323 Gigant
Which would outlast the other in a fight? Which would survive? Could a Gigant defeat a single Hurricane's attack? Could the Gigant even shoot down the Hurricane fighter?
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05-09-2008, 04:53 PM
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Country: | Unescorted and against a hurri with 4x 20 mm cannons, not a chance, as long as the Hurricane pilot was average or better. | |
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05-09-2008, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kool kitty89  Unescorted and against a hurri with 4x 20 mm cannons, not a chance, as long as the Hurricane pilot was average or better. | Here is part of an interview with Stocky Edwards ref the 323 I'm not sure if he was flying the P40 or spit but it sure doesn't sound like it was hard to stop
"So I led the whole wing out there, which puts me in the front of the spear head, see. When we arrive in the bay and I see all these things burning on the water, and I thought it was all over and finally, just in front of me is a big transport, the 6-engine, and all I have to do is turn a little bit and fire. And it just broke up like a stack of cards and fell in the ocean. And that happened to be the last one that was in that group."
you can watch and listen to the interview Spit fire Project - Veterans Affairs Canada
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05-09-2008, 06:09 PM
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Country:  | No offense Soundbreaker, but what was the point of this thread.
It is rather obvious.
Me 323: slow, large, not maneuverable. It is a large transport.
Hurricane: fast, nimble fighter.
Who do you think is going to win?
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05-09-2008, 08:27 PM
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Country: | It's got 18 machine guns though.
And I'd immagine with a Hurricane IIB with 12 .303's it would take a while, plus you'd have to be w/in 300 m to get a good hit. All the time those guns are on you.
The defensive guns may only be 7.92 mm but the MG 81's got a ~1,700 rpm RoF and there are 18 of them. And aparently some were armmed with MG 131's instead.
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05-09-2008, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Soundbreaker Welch? Could the Gigant even shoot down the Hurricane fighter? | Providing it gets off the ground. 
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05-10-2008, 01:20 AM
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Country: | Well, I know the Hurricane is completely better at attacking than a Gigant, but it's smaller and not as tough. If the Gigant puts up a good defense, it might shoot it down.
Was the Gigant really that weak? I had heard that it was a tough beast to bring down.
I did this poll for fun, something more unusual than fighter vs. fighter.
Maybe it would have been more interesting if the contest had been between a Bf 109 and B-17= more fair competition.
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05-24-2008, 10:55 AM
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Country: | Anytime a single fighter attacks a well armed bomber/transport there is the danger of being hit by return fire. Even in early 1940 the Hurricane had good armour protection, including front armour. The biggest vunerability would be a hit to the engine or cooling system. If its a IIc we're talking about the 323 doesn't have a hope. If its a Mk I or IIb the Hurricane pilot needs to go for a pilot kill[ie headon] or for the fuel tanks.
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05-24-2008, 05:47 PM
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Country: | I understand that the Gigant was alittle rugged and could take some damage although the Holy Thursday Massacre of 22 April 1943 when a whole convoy of Gigants were shot down was due mostly to their cargo of volitile fuel for North Africa.
How about the Do 17 and the Hurricane? I understand that some Dorniers took out some Hurricanes early in the war - before July 1940.
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05-24-2008, 06:41 PM
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I mean, it ain't even a contest. That big ole Gigant would just open its big ole' mouth and slurp up that pathetic little Hurribird like a bullfrog with butterfly. And if it missed on the first pass, why it would just go into an Immelman and get it the next time around. Then there'd be a little belch, and a few tattered RAF roundels fluttering to the ground...
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05-24-2008, 06:51 PM
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Country: | Has anyone ever thought about aiming the weapons from the 323 its bouncing ,turning up down etc your weapon isn't on firm ground and after the first shot your aim will be worse because of the recoil. I'll take a Gladator over the 323
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05-25-2008, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzard How can anyone even ask such a question?
I mean, it ain't even a contest. That big ole Gigant would just open its big ole' mouth and slurp up that pathetic little Hurribird like a bullfrog with butterfly. And if it missed on the first pass, why it would just go into an Immelman and get it the next time around. Then there'd be a little belch, and a few tattered RAF roundels fluttering to the ground...
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Has anyone ever thought about aiming the weapons from the 323 its bouncing ,turning up down etc your weapon isn't on firm ground and after the first shot your aim will be worse because of the recoil. I'll take a Gladator over the 323 | Who said anything about a Gladiator?
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05-25-2008, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kool kitty89
Who said anything about a Gladiator? | alright then the thing would be dead meat it's slow lumbering and a target that hard to miss I would prefer my chances in just about any other flying machine
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05-25-2008, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Has anyone ever thought about aiming the weapons from the 323 its bouncing ,turning up down etc your weapon isn't on firm ground and after the first shot your aim will be worse because of the recoil. I'll take a Gladator over the 323 | The weapons were fastened so no recoil would really be felt pbfoot.
A lone Hurricane against a lone Me-323 and the 323 is most likely going down (Depending on the armament of the Hurricane), but it's also likely that defensive fire brings down the Hurricane. Quite a few LW fighters were brought down by the defensive fire from IL2's, no kidding.
Remember also that the Me323 is armed with five 13mm MG131's, and the Hurricane can quickly become a flying ball of flames if it flies into a stream bullets from those. (Don't know where the 18x guns comes from ?)
Fact is though that the Me-323 was an extremely tough airplane capable of taking huge amounts of enemy fire. But against a swarm of fighters armed with 20mm cannons and itself loaded with fuel there's no chance. Even without the fuel load and couple of fighters could easily wreck havoc on a couple of Me-323's.
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05-25-2008, 07:40 AM
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