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Country:  | "The very small radar cross section of Gripen was another problem for the ‘red team’ that included both air-to-air and surface-to-air threats. “We also confirmed that our warning and electronic warfare systems (EWS) are really, really good - it was almost impossible for the Red air force to get through our EW systems. We always knew where the air defense was, could avoid them and still do our work, even in very dynamic situations, with the threat getting more complex each day” said Colonel Lindberg."
It's not the same article that I read. This from the South African Air Force... First Red Flag exercise for Gripen
Still looking folks.... 
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04-24-2007, 09:42 AM
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04-25-2007, 10:55 AM
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| Both are great fighters, no doubt, but; The Eurofighter can maintain 9 G for as long as there is fuel in the tanks, can the Gripen do that ?
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04-25-2007, 11:06 AM
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Country: | Yes.... Question is though, can the pilot....?
Does Eurofighter have IHMD (Integrated Helmet-Mounted Display)?
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04-25-2007, 01:09 PM
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| The Gripen can only reach 9 G in a glimse while the Eurofighter can maintain this, so the eurofighter is superior in a dogfight. (Although it'll most likely not ever end in a dogfight) And yes, the EF does have IHMD.
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04-25-2007, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren  The Gripen can only reach 9 G in a glimse | I find that hard to believe, Soren. But I have no direct evidence to dispute it. Typically modern fighters are much more capable than their passengers. And 9 g sustained is not a magnificent feat for today's technologies.
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04-25-2007, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Yes.... Question is though, can the pilot....?
Does Eurofighter have IHMD (Integrated Helmet-Mounted Display)? | Eurofighter IHMD is state of the art and not to be trifled with.
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Country: | Gripen has the worlds most advanced datalink system.... Isn't the Eurofighter only to operate from large airbases which can be too vulnerable. Gripen can operate from normal roads that's 800m long and 17m (sometimes only nine metres) wide and hide in peoples garages?
"The EWS 39 consists of a radar warner, jammer and countermeasures dispensers. The system is designed to handle all sorts of off-board, integrated and pod-mounted jammers, chaff and flare dispensers. Together, these contribute to making the Gripen the world's most capable and cost-effective combat aircraft in operation today"
"BOL, internationally recognized as today's most effective countermeasures dispenser, is used by the US F-14, F-15, the Eurofighter, the Tornado and the Swedish Viggen and Gripen."
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Gripen can operate from normal roads that's 800m long and 17m (sometimes only nine metres) wide and hide in peoples garages? | That would have to be a big garage...
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Country: | They used to be able to fold the fin on the Viggen, so I guess that they can do it on the Gripen as well. But, who know......
Many people have a double garage too....to fit their private destillery in.  Said too much! Please delete this comment....
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Originally Posted by Matt308 I find that hard to believe, Soren. But I have no direct evidence to dispute it. Typically modern fighters are much more capable than their passengers. And 9 g sustained is not a magnificent feat for today's technologies. | Even with a G-suit you can't stay conscious while pulling 9 G's for long Matt, so the pilot is the limiting factor. Only the advent of a new G-suit for the EF pilots allowed them to fly at a continous 9 G.
A cool video: Fighter Jet Video
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04-26-2007, 08:37 PM
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Country: | Thankyou. But that does that have to do with the Gripen. You honestly think that the Gripen is airframe limited to "glimses" and cannot sustain high g maneuvers? C'mon. Sounds like French Airbus flight control limitations. No serious worldclass fighter manufacterer would impose such software limitations upon their equipment. That would be criminal.
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04-29-2007, 07:43 AM
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| 9 G is alot, and AFAIK the Gripen can only maintain this for a short while - the Eurofighter with its excellent power to weight ratio and aerodynamics can maintain 9 G for as long as there is fuel however, the EF pilot also has the advantage of his better G-suit.
As to a/c limitations, well I'm not sure what the structural limit is for these two a/c - its high no doubt... 12 G ??
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