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#31 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Some how I just find this hard to believe. The F-16 can handle 9 G and more as good as any aircraft, so I would think the Grippen could to.
Also can you please post some info on the EF Pilots "Better" G Suit...
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| The F-16 can't do 9 G for very long.
Here's something on the Eurofighter G-suit: Autoflug Libelle GmbH EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON ROADSHOW VISITS RAF MARHAM
Its called the Libelle suit.
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04-29-2007, 10:02 AM
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#34 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Soren  The F-16 can't do 9 G for very long. | The F-16 was designed to withstand high G forces of 9G and more. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Soren | Thanks!
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04-29-2007, 10:12 AM
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| The F-16 airframe can withstand 9 G and more yes, but the point is the a/c itself can't maintain it for more than a short while.
Btw I added another link specifically on the Libelle suit: Autoflug Libelle GmbH
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04-29-2007, 01:35 PM
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Country:  | [quote=Soren;244736]The F-16 can't do 9 G for very long.
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I think I understand what you are saying. It cannot sustain a 9G turn indefinitely. This is true for the F-16. But I suspect that is a limitation derived from the quad redundant flight control algorithms and airframe loadout.
Same is true for the Gripen which has a T/Wr <1 @MSL. Since Gripen has just internal fuel enough to make a milk run to the local convenience store, Gripen will be necessarily loaded down with external tanks. Thus making those 9G sustained turns at altitude VERY unlikely.
I think some of the most telling facts about the "superiority" of the Gripen are the Swedish gov't wanting to re-engine the airplane and retiring -39As. Pretty telling for such a fantastic airframe. 
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Country: | Gripen is "only" a 4.5 generation fighter and so is Eurofighter.....  I think that the F-22 is the only operational fighter of the 5th generation, soon also to be the F-35....
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| You wait and see lucky, modern stealth technology might just go obsolete.
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04-29-2007, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt308 Why so Soren? I'm curious as to your thoughts. | Just a blatent guess but here is my suggestion.
Stealth planes are not invisible to radar, they reduce the radar signature to a fraction of its 'normal' size, say to the size of a medium size bird a seagull for instance.
One day with the growth of computer power, the radars may be able to look for a seagull going 600kts in a straight line and bobs your uncle, its the enemy. | |
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04-29-2007, 08:58 PM
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#43 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | Not sure where you equated stealth with invisibility, mate.
Okay, the detection/avoidance game is becoming true as we speak. However, to be surveilled is a manifestation of your vulnerability. For those in Seattle, that means that even though more powerful radar (AESA for example) is available, the ability to avoid detection is a matter of your stealth characteristic. You can downplay reduced radar signature all you want, but reality is your signature plays a key role in BVR engagements.
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Country: | Maybe one day we'll get that far so we have gone a full circle and we're back where we started. The pilot that SEE you first and shoot you down with guns wins.....
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