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#166 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass my figure for Avro includes women, i think it did for willow run too.......... | here are some of the women at willow run and they had a different group called blacks which was unusual as well and it was forced on the war plants by FDR | 
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01-15-2006, 05:19 PM
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#167 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | but we did have the sence to stop production lines for a bit to make changes, unlike the americans who sent their newly produced obsolete B-24s off to mod. centres 
and sys do you really think we could've produced more than we were? do you think we were sitting back drinking tea the whole time? no, it would've been very hard for us to make more aircraft, given we were working at full capacity!
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01-15-2006, 05:24 PM
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Country: | Remember, we are only a small country syscom. Besides, what is the most important quality in a bomber- it's bomb-carrying capacity which I believe the Lanc wins hands down.
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01-15-2006, 05:28 PM
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#169 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | yes bombers are designed to drop bombs, few bombers in history have done this as well as the avro lancaster, very few planes have their load carrying ability classed and legendary, the lancaster is one of them.........
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#170 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Good info all of you guys, BUT YOUR WRONG!!!!! THERE IS NO REASON WHY ENGLAND COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH THE USA IN BUILDING BOMBERS!!!!!! HELL WHO CARES THAT YOU GUYS WERE BEING BOMBED, WHO CARES THAT THE US WASN'T!!!!!! NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT!!!!
Okay I am done now!! 
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01-15-2006, 05:30 PM
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01-15-2006, 05:31 PM
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#172 | | He who does not skim
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01-15-2006, 05:33 PM
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#173 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I hope you sense the sarcasm! Im on Lancs side in this argument.
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01-15-2006, 05:35 PM
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#174 | | Master of Ewes
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#175 | | He who does not skim
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#178 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass thanks for the support, i realise how hard that must have been for you to say | I know it is very wiered! 
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Can I remind you again of the thousands of V1 and V2 rockets that were landing on us. You keep forgetting those.
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Having built the factories the disruption in moving them or changing production would have been huge.
| No need to move anything. The factories are there and tooling can be produced in a fair enough time. All it means is some factories will build sub assemblies, some assemble the final product. Plus theyre all close to each other, so its not like in the US where the distance between the plants can be 2000 miles. Quote: |
I suggest you anwser your own question which would you drop. ......
| I would drop the Beaufighter and put the Spit into a very low rate of production. All other multiengine bombers would be dropped in favor of nothing but Lancs. Maritime patrol really wasnt as important after 1943 as the number of escort carriers took up that mission just fine. And all carrier based aircraft would be stopped as the USN had better aircraft available by the thousands.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Quote: |
Can I remind you again of the thousands of V1 and V2 rockets that were landing on us. You keep forgetting those.
| V1's and V2's couldnt hit anything they were aimed at. | Come on, that statement was pretty lame!!!!  If you fired enough of them you're going to hit something, and that they did...   
15 June 1944, with 244 fired at London and 50 fired at Southampton. 144 crossed the English coast; 73 managed to reach London; some were shot down; most of the rest landed south of the Thames; and a few hit Southampton. One went wildly astray and ended up in Norfolk. You try going to work under those conditions Quote: |
Having built the factories the disruption in moving them or changing production would have been huge.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 No need to move anything. The factories are there and tooling can be produced in a fair enough time. All it means is some factories will build sub assemblies, some assemble the final product. Plus theyre all close to each other, so its not like in the US where the distance between the plants can be 2000 miles. | Again you're ignorance of aircraft manufacturing is apparent. Do you think you could just sh*t out an assembly jig?!? The most time consuming part of aircraft production is the developing of the tooling. I briefly worked as a tooling inspector and I could tell you sometimes it took 2 years to build, develop and correct a major assembly tool, mind you during WW2 the task would have been heavily expedited, but still time consuming Quote: |
Originally Posted by syscom3 Quote: |
I suggest you anwser your own question which would you drop. ......
| I would drop the Beaufighter and put the Spit into a very low rate of production. All other multiengine bombers would be dropped in favor of nothing but Lancs. Maritime patrol really wasnt as important after 1943 as the number of escort carriers took up that mission just fine. And all carrier based aircraft would be stopped
as the USN had better aircraft available by the thousands. | And what do you do to those commanders in the field who want or need an aircraft like a Beaufighter?!? What do you replace it with?!? The military dictates what aircraft are needed, industry attempts to support that need -
As far as Naval aircraft - that last time I looked at information about the FAA, they had numerous American Aircraft - Hmmmm, didn't a Brit teach us how to land a Corsair on a carrier?!?!?
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