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11-20-2005, 09:24 AM
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#151 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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Country:  | So tell us Tigersnake, your profile shows you were in the RAN - what did you do there that makes you such an authority that you can attempt to call some of us "armchair experts."
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11-20-2005, 09:28 AM
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#152 | | He who does not skim
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
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Country:  | I'm a little curious too. Very little.
TigerSnake, why don't you just quit acting like a complete and utter shithead and try being a bit civil on these boards. I don't give a rat's **** what or who you may be in reality, but you've made all of five posts and already you've got Les on your case. That ain't a good thing, by the way.
You disagree with the "armchair experts" on this forum? Fine. That's all well and good. You some kind of uber-guru or something? Then lay off the attitude and fall in with the rest of us laymen. Enough with the bullshit sarcasm. It's annoying as hell. | |
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11-20-2005, 09:35 AM
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#153 | | Master of Ewes
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 19,959
Country:  | damn it i should've pretended to him i'm Squadron Leader Stuart Reid of the BBMF, too late to go back and change my lasts posts? he'll never know he obviously aint read up on any of us, might be a fun little game to tell him i fly all the BBMF types 
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11-20-2005, 11:09 AM
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#154 | | Konfused with a 'K'
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Turin, Italy
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Country:  | He'd probably believe you if you said you were Maverick out of Top Gun 
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11-20-2005, 11:15 AM
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#155 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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Country: | Goose is more believable! 
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11-20-2005, 11:17 AM
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#156 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 286
| Wow, almost timid to put my sense into the discussion about the zero and the shiden. For starters, even if everyone wanted tbe shiden, they couldnt have got them, because not that many were produced. Second it hand engine troubles, making it unreliable, and making long over water flights, or combat a difficult affair indeed. When the shiden was available, good pilots to fly the more demanding aircraft were in short supply, as were trainer aircraft and aviation fuel. The zero was a pilots airplane and because of its easy handling and relatively great low speed qualities, it was easy to fly even for a beginner. Hope that made you realize your not as smart as you would seem. | |
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11-20-2005, 11:26 AM
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#157 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
Posts: 28,557
Country:  | Who was this post for?
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-20-2005, 11:28 AM
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#158 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 286
| For 'Arm Chair' pilots to criticise a man of his stature is utterly ludicrous!
The fact is that the IJN pilots LOVED the Zero and prefered fighting with it right up to the end of WWII! Offered replacements like the Shiden (4x20mm...armour...manouverability...self sealing tanks...POWER!), they let their preference for the Zero be known in no uncertain terms!
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11-20-2005, 11:34 AM
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#159 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA
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Country: | I'm going to double post this...
DerAdlerIstGelandet wrote:
Tigershark I take personal offense to your armchair pilot coment and I am pretty sure that FBJ does also. I suggest you tone it down a bit, or move on to someplace else.
Yep - I'm anxious to hear about his RAN association....
To put this in perspective:
I lived close to Edwards AFB, and even worked there for a spell. I've met many test pilots, some were real good guys, some were assh*les. I got to meet Chuck Yeager on several occasions, none of us could wear the guy's jockstrap, but his arrogance and disregard for those around him ruins the perception that many would expect of one like him. I seen him embarrass the Edwards Aero Club safety officer (who was a Major, former F-16 line pilot and a current test pilot) over a minor disagreement. It's one thing to disagree with someone, it's another to unilaterally browbeat someone with your experience, especial when there was no cause to be brash or arrogant.....
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11-20-2005, 11:58 AM
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#160 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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Country: | Well said FBJ. I know the test pilots in my unit they are quite arrogant also. They are breed of there own. Both are great guys though however. I would go to war with them and back again anyday. Wait a minute I did that already!
I too am anxious to hear what this tigershark guy has to say.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-20-2005, 12:42 PM
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#161 | | Minister of Whoopass
Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi
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Country: | I could care less what another piss-ant new member has to say...
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11-20-2005, 01:19 PM
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#162 | | Der Crewchief
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
Posts: 28,557
Country: | Agreed when it is not productive.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-21-2005, 09:13 AM
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#163 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 355
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Originally Posted by evangilder Actually, if you come to Camarillo, I can show you a real A6M3 that flies at airshows all season. I have worked on it and sat in it. There is also an A6M5 in Chino that flies regularly. In Camarillo, we also have a non-flying A6M2 that is up for sale. It needs work, so the asking price is $695,000. | Oh to have that kind of money! From what I understand that is bargain basement for a Zero. The price tag I was talking about was for a fully restored flying one, at least thats what I have read. Still I would love to see one flying, I have only seen the Zero at Pensacola and the one NASM. THey may have had thier faults but from what I have read in Sakai's autobio, they were a dream to fly and it is a gorgeous plane.
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11-21-2005, 09:25 AM
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#164 | | Your ad here. ;)
Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA
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Country: | I found out on saturday that the zero has been sold. It will be going to a new museum at Ford Island in Hawaii. They have a new Pacific War museum opening up in 2006. I have seen the plans for the new museum and it will be incredible. The Zero will be hung from the ceiling as part of the exhibit. I am hoping to go see it someday.
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11-21-2005, 09:49 AM
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#165 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
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| Cool. At that price I am not suprised that someone gobbled it up. My plan is to be in Hawaii in 07 for a second honeymoon so hopefully I will see it too. Still I hope that more Japanese planes make it to museums. There is only a smattering of fighters in museums. I know that there are several Bettys in pieces in storage in the US. I hope that the curators and the restorers can get over the financial hurdles.
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