Me 109, Spitfire, Zero or Mustang

[FLYBOYJ]

[quote="schwarzpanzer"]

The Zeke is so bad??

Yea, just stay above 350 MPH, something the -109 and -51 could easily do!

[evangilder]

Not to mention above 275, your turning is going to be next to impossible in the Zero.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

The P51 is more manouverable than the Gustav/Kurfurst surely?

the -51 was a bit of a dog in a turning fight, i still think the -109 should win this.......

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Bf-109G-6 for reasons already stated, and I agree with FBJ, the Zero is crap.

[plan_D]

The Mustang would almost always enter the fight at a higher speed, giving it the initial advantage. If it was an out and out dogfight, both entering at same speed and altitude I would take a Spitfire 21.

[Jabberwocky]

Originally Posted by schwarzpanzer

The P51 is more manouverable than the Gustav/Kurfurst surely?

At an equal energy state, I would say no. Particularly if the fight is anywhere below 350-375 mph or and at less than 25,000 feet.

The 109 was THE outstanding vertical performer for most of the war, as well as consistently being one of the best accelerating aircraft. It was no slouch in the horizontal either.

Put all those together and you have an aircraft that will out climb a P-51 by a handy margin. A 109 would generally use its superior accleeration/climb to out energy fight its opponent, regardless of the front it was serving in. In fact, along with the 190D and the Spitfire, I'd hazard that the 109 was one of the top 3 energy fighting planes of the war.

[plan_D]

I'm not an expert but wouldn't the Corsair or Hellcat rank highly in the energy fighters? Possibly the La-7?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would agree with the Corsair. Again though I am not a expert in that asspect either.

[wmaxt]

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

At an equal energy state, I would say no. Particularly if the fight is anywhere below 350-375 mph or and at less than 25,000 feet.

The 109 was THE outstanding vertical performer for most of the war, as well as consistently being one of the best accelerating aircraft. It was no slouch in the horizontal either.

Put all those together and you have an aircraft that will out climb a P-51 by a handy margin. A 109 would generally use its superior accleeration/climb to out energy fight its opponent, regardless of the front it was serving in. In fact, along with the 190D and the Spitfire, I'd hazard that the 109 was one of the top 3 energy fighting planes of the war.

There is an interview with a description of a P-51D vrs Bf-109 fight in the verticle to the stall points. Not only did Bud Anderson win but his description indicated the planes were pretty equal.

I would also add the P-38 as a top high energy fighter. The P-38 accerated very quickly @ 2.8mph/sec, and could climb to 20K fully loadded in 7 min @ 1,100hp. Climb clean in wep power in as little as 5min. Its energy retention was also exceptional.

wmaxt

[syscom3]

Id take the P51, stay out of the way of the -109 untill it was low on fuel and then pounce on it.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Id take the 109 and just pounce on the P-51.

[P38 Pilot]

P51 Mustang for me. Because it was pretty good in dogfights with its M2 Browning .50

Also, its American.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i still say -109.........

[lesofprimus]

Bf-109.......

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yeap Id still go for the Bf-109.