Me-262

Originally Posted by Amish Eskimo Ninja

does anyone here know how many total kills 262's got. I need it for a history project. Tell me the source you got it from too please. It would be a huge help if anyone does.

I don't think I've seen a figure like that. However, the following page shows all 262 Aces, and represents the lions share of 262 kills, searching through the site may yeild more info.

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/dusen.html

The Werk Number database entires might also yeild figures, and you might contact the archivists and ask them, they might know the total kills for the 262 (If anyone would, I'd think it'd be them):

http://www.stormbirds.com/werknummer/

Here are some more links to help you, I've not read every page of every site so maybe you will find the info if you are looking for it:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~fiveds/ananian.html
http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/M/M...itt-Me-262.htm
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/airc.../m262_info.htm
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/me262.htm
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/me262.html
http://www.cebudanderson.com/262.htm

Sorry I cannot find an exact figure for you.

Good luck,

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Lunatic

[Nonskimmer]

That's quite a selection. Thanks, Lunatic.

Originally Posted by Nonskimmer

That's quite a selection. Thanks, Lunatic.

YW. I'd contact the author's of the first two links and ask them for the figures you want. Very good chance they know the answer w/o looking it up if this data is in fact known.

Unfortunately, more than half the 262 links I've saved over the years are now dead.




Lunatic

[Nonskimmer]

Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

No I really meant the FW183:

Which to me looks an awful lot like the mig 15:



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Lunatic

That's right.
To my knowledge, none of the Ta 183 prototypes actually took to the air, until by the Soviets well after war's end.
It was only then that the design flaws of the airframe were discovered and rectified (lowering of the tailplanes, wing fences added, etc.), and the VK-1 engine of the Mig-15 was little more than a "Russianized" British Rolls-Royce.

Originally Posted by Nonskimmer

That's right.
To my knowledge, none of the Ta 183 prototypes actually took to the air, until by the Soviets well after war's end.
It was only then that the design flaws of the airframe were discovered and rectified (lowering of the tailplanes, wing fences added, etc.), and the VK-1 engine of the Mig-15 was little more than a "Russianized" British Rolls-Royce.

The Mig-15 was seriously flawed anyway. It rolled poorly at speed and it could not break the bottom of the transonic mach region even in a dive.

[Nonskimmer]

True enough.

[Karaya_1]

Hi, I just discovered this great board….the Me 262 is my favourite a/c for over 20 years now and so I would like to add some things to your interesting discussion.

1. The first jet plane was the Heinkel He 178 (first flight 27. August 1939)
2. The Me 262 was a great interceptor, but not suited for dogfights. It’s turn radius was much too small to come up with a P-51 or Spitfire. (Try it on the very realistic Il-2 flight simulator and you will see)
3. Forget about the old rumor about Hitler and his blame about the delay of the 262 getting into service. Even if each one build had entered service as a fighter, it would have changed nothing. The problem of the 262 was the jet engine…..there were not enough reliable engines before mid-1944, so nothing different would have happened. They might have hampered the allied bombing runs but I won’t think of the results and an A-Bomb over Berlin….
4. The Me 262 was a total flop as a fighter-bomber, they had no bombsight for that kind of speed and so they dropped their bombs anywhere, but not on the target (like the Brits did by night,hehehe….sorry for that joking..).
5. The Heinkel He 280 was a great plane, but it was developed to use Heinkel’s own He-S jet engines and it had to be modified for the Jumo or BMW and the He-S was to weak to compare with the Me 262 and it’s Jumo’s.
6. Another question from this poll : EJG means Ergänzungsjagdgeschwader (supplement fighter squadron)

So the Me 262 would have never won the war for us (yes, I am a little bit patriotic )), because of the engine problem. It might have delayed the war a bit, but I don’t think it would have stopped the allies.
I hope I could help you a little bit and if you have question about some german wording I would like to help you !

Greetings from Bavaria !

Michael

[Nonskimmer]

Bavaria!
I love Bavarian beer!

Ahem!...Sorry, back on topic.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

some very good and interesting points there Kar (can we call you that??)

welcome to the site, i hope you stick around...............

[cheddar cheese]

Originally Posted by Karaya_1

Hi, I just discovered this great board….the Me 262 is my favourite a/c for over 20 years now and so I would like to add some things to your interesting discussion.

1. The first jet plane was the Heinkel He 178 (first flight 27. August 1939)
2. The Me 262 was a great interceptor, but not suited for dogfights. It’s turn radius was much too small to come up with a P-51 or Spitfire. (Try it on the very realistic Il-2 flight simulator and you will see)
3. Forget about the old rumor about Hitler and his blame about the delay of the 262 getting into service. Even if each one build had entered service as a fighter, it would have changed nothing. The problem of the 262 was the jet engine…..there were not enough reliable engines before mid-1944, so nothing different would have happened. They might have hampered the allied bombing runs but I won’t think of the results and an A-Bomb over Berlin….
4. The Me 262 was a total flop as a fighter-bomber, they had no bombsight for that kind of speed and so they dropped their bombs anywhere, but not on the target (like the Brits did by night,hehehe….sorry for that joking..).
5. The Heinkel He 280 was a great plane, but it was developed to use Heinkel’s own He-S jet engines and it had to be modified for the Jumo or BMW and the He-S was to weak to compare with the Me 262 and it’s Jumo’s.
6. Another question from this poll : EJG means Ergänzungsjagdgeschwader (supplement fighter squadron)

So the Me 262 would have never won the war for us (yes, I am a little bit patriotic )), because of the engine problem. It might have delayed the war a bit, but I don’t think it would have stopped the allies.
I hope I could help you a little bit and if you have question about some german wording I would like to help you !

Greetings from Bavaria !

Michael

An epic first post there, Hello and welcome

If the He-178 was the first jet to fly how com it didnt see service? Cos if it was around in the BoB I reckon we'd have been trounced

[GermansRGeniuses]

Simply a prototype, 'twas the same for the E.28 Pioneer...

[Karaya_1]

Hi,
yes, that's true, it was just a test bed for the new Heinkel jet engine developed by Hans Joachim Pabst von Ohain. It was never planned to be used as a fighter.

Michael

[cheddar cheese]

Ah...shame

[ricker79]

had hitler not stopped all special weapons projects for 28 months in the late 30's we would all be speaking german and goose stepping.
an me -262 in mid 1941 instead of late 1943 would also have meant an Horten Ho-18 Amerika Bomber, the V2-A10 (the german ICBM), AtoA and SAM's used en masse', and many more wonderously horrible weapons by '44. this would have led to success in afrika which would have provided germany will all the uranium and plutonium they could ever hope for. i urge everyone to go to luft 46.com. some of the stuff the germans were a year away from was almost martian in appearance and freakishly high tech.
an interesting side note: when boeing was looking for ideas for the stealth bomber they came across files and blueprints on the Ho-18. the files read that on a version equipped with piston engines it was undetectable on radar of the time. the germans would have had a bomber that could reach new york and siberia without ever being detected. the Ho-18 and the B-2 bomber are almost identical.

so in summary the me-262 would not have won the war alone, but the horrors that would have followed it a year later would have.
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[Nonskimmer]

Yeah, Luft '46 is an interesting site!