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03-01-2004, 07:24 AM
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#31 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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03-03-2004, 11:26 AM
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| None of this changes the fact that the Me 262 jet fighter would never have won the war - even if they had built it in 1943 
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03-03-2004, 12:00 PM
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#33 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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I agree but the HE 280 flew in 1941 while planes like the Arado 240 and the FW 187 Falke were available in 1939. Those together would have made some difference.
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03-04-2004, 09:09 AM
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| Oh god this is killing me!
No-one is denying that these jets would have made a difference - all i'm saying is it would never have WON THE WAR for anyone 
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03-04-2004, 09:43 AM
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#35 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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Country: | And I'm NOT disagreeing with you. What I AM saying is that had the Reich Air ministry actually used its brains for something other that cushioning their seats with, then the outcome of the war could well have been somewhat different.
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03-04-2004, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kiwimac The aircomet was a joke!
Seriously, had the Germans built aircraft like the FW 189 and the Arado 240 and the Heinkel 280 in the early 1940's the latter half of the war would have been a very different kettle of fish in my opinion.
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03-04-2004, 10:36 AM
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#37 | | | The AR 240 was a Twin Engined propellar plane. Good yes, but no more revolution than for ex. the Mosquito.What influence on the result of the war can a plane like this have !!!!! | |
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03-04-2004, 04:17 PM
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| circumstance.... it's all about circumstances...
if the 262 had been in service earlier, it might have thrown the balance of major battles in favor of the axis, which would have made things easier on all the other groups..... you see what I'm getting at? but I don't think it would have made that much of a difference
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03-04-2004, 08:30 PM
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#39 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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Country: | I guess my argument is that earlier use of planes like the HE 280 et alia would mean that the Reich armed forces would perhaps have had a different attitude towards innovation.
Which perhaps means that a whole raft of other ideas (that were never thought of in our war) could have come up.
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03-06-2004, 04:34 AM
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#40 | | Master of Ewes
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03-06-2004, 04:51 PM
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#41 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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IMO its not whether they worked, per se but the sheer inventiveness that brought them into the light of day.
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03-07-2004, 10:32 AM
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#42 | | Master of Ewes
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03-13-2004, 12:39 PM
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| Sorry - I haven't read this entire thread (7 pages!), so what I say might have been said before, but here goes: Providing the Luftwaffe had got the '262 into service before 1944, with plenty of decent pilots to fly and train on them, the '262 would have delayed the end of the war by a long time. However, the war was always going to be decided by more fundamental differences between the combatant nations. The combined industrial capacity of the USA, USSR and British Empire was many many times greater than that of the Germans and Japanese. Under any circumstances apart from a German conquest of the USSR, the war would have continued until German industry was run into the ground, and/ or 'Enola Gayed' by the US (you know what I mean). The '262 could have ruled the skies of Europe under the circumstances specified previously, but once Germany can no longer build them, it is a moot point. 
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03-13-2004, 01:58 PM
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#44 | | Master of Ewes
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'Enola Gayed' by the US (you know what I mean).
| 1)I've never heard it been caled that before
2) if we were to "Enola Gay" germany, it would have been an american bomb, but it would have been dropped by the lancaster.................
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03-13-2004, 02:16 PM
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| no, it would be dropped by the B-29!
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