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11-16-2005, 10:51 AM
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#196 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | that's what i was thinking too.......
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11-18-2005, 12:47 AM
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#197 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Yes, because the Lightning was like sitting on TWO jet engines.
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04-16-2006, 08:53 PM
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#198 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | the f80 has to be the one as it morphed into the T33 or TB1rd and its still going strong something that just can't be said about the 262 it spent its last days as a squadron hack or basic ecm machine
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04-17-2006, 02:30 AM
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#199 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i hardly think that's the -262's fault, the F-80 evolved into other machines because it was in a country where it could, the -262 could ahve been developed more, but it was in a country that lost the war, people learnt from her, but they weren't gonna carry on developing her, although the Czechs did a bit i think.........
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04-17-2006, 05:31 AM
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#200 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Was just wondering. Lunatic started this thread and now he is anonymous. Did he quit or did someone ban him again.
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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04-17-2006, 10:25 AM
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#201 | | Senior Member
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| I dont think the ME262 could have been developed to much. Hanging those engines under the wings does limit your options.
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04-17-2006, 05:52 PM
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#202 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | I agree.... It was pretty much at its limit.... Maybe incorperating the engine into the fuselage, but thats about it....
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04-17-2006, 06:53 PM
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#203 | | the old Sage
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Country: | underground trials at Oberammergau looked very promising for the 262 in 1945; still the undergound "barracks" as the US likes to call them still house some Luftwaffe secrets known too only a handful
I'll let your minds wander on my statements but yes the 262 was to be revamped as I have stated previously in the night fighter version so it would of made sense to include the day fighters as well and also the concept of swept back wings was to be standard fit | |
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04-18-2006, 12:59 AM
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#204 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The Stage II and III would have been a big improvemnt. The engines in the fuselages also was in the works and would have been a good improvement.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-03-2006, 05:35 PM
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#205 | | Senior Member
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| Why did Lunatic get banned?
Anyway, I think the Me262 could have made a great bomber interceptor, night fighter, heavy fighter, dive-bomber and ground-attack plane.
The 50mm cannon could decimate Bombers, I remember reading, IIRC, Battles with the Luftwaffe and the fear this stand-off weapon gave to bomber crews.
Also using it ike a A10 Warthog may have been a good idea? - If those troublesome engines could be protected.
BTW: New Me262's are apparently to be made using modern, reliable jet engines!
The P80 may have been a better fighter, but add the He1078 and HoIX to the equation... | |
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08-03-2006, 05:53 PM
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#206 | | Senior Member
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| Once the US (and brits) put its entire aviation establishment behind jet technology, theres little if anything the Luftwaffe could have done to stop the onslaught.
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08-03-2006, 05:58 PM
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#207 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I look at the fact that the me 262 would have been 1 ton or more lighter if it was made in the west. For power go with junkers jumo oo4h | |
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08-03-2006, 06:07 PM
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#208 | | the old Sage
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Country: | the Me 262A-1a had already proven itself even in January of 45 to be the ultimate NF mosquito chaser in Kommando Welter till wars end | |
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08-04-2006, 08:53 PM
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#209 | | Junior Member
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Country: | Chuck Yeager flew both planes, and said that they were identical in all respects.
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05-11-2007, 10:07 AM
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#210 | | Junior Member
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Country: | I see a lot of people talking about the Me262 pilots being experienced...yes initially they were experienced pilots. But, as time went on those experienced pilots were shot down and pilots with as little as 10 combat hours were being put into the 262. Nearly 200 of these inexperienced pilots were killed during training.
Now, for what the US was putting into play....we could have very well had jet v. jet during WWII two fighter groups were in the process of transition to the P-80 Shooting Star. both groups were made of very experienced P-51 and P-47 pilots that had experience in dealing with the Swallow. Given the specs of the P-80, and the experience of the Mustang and Thunderbolt pilots..the Shooting Star would have lent itself well with the tactics developed while these pilots were in their prop planes.
Given the fact that the P-80 could out run, out roll, out climb...and the fact that the US was putting their best pilots into the Shooting Stars, while the Germans had used up all their best pilots...I give the edge to the Shooting Star. | |
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