Just for fun, lets compare the Me262 to the P-80, since had WWII proceeded into fall 1945 these two jets would surely have met in combat.

Me262-1A Specifications -

Engines:2 x Jumo-004B engines with 1,980 lb S.T. (900 kg) each.

Weights - empty:8,380 lb (3,800 kg)Operational:14,110 lb (6,400 kg)Maximum:15,720 lbs (7,130 kg)

Maximum speed - typical:503 mph (810 kph) @ sea level, 519 mph (835 kph) @ 19,685 feet (6000 m)

Maximum speed - best:515 mph (825 kph) @ sea level, 540 mph (870 kph) @ 19,680 (using -4A engines)

Cruise Speed:unknown

Initial climb:3937 fpm (1200 m/min)

Sustained Climb:6.8 mins to 19,685 ft (6000 m)

Service ceiling:37,565 ft (11,450 m)

Range:650 miles (1,050 km) on internal fuel

Gunsight:Revi 16b reflector sight

Armament:2 x 30mm MK108 cannon with 100 rpg, 2 x 30mm MK108 cannon with 80 rpg, all nose mounted

P-80A specifications -

Engine:One General Electric J33-GE-11 or Allison J33-A-9 with 3,850 lb S.T. (1,746 kg)

Weights - empty:7920 lbs.Operational:11,700 poundsMaximum:14,000 lbs

Maximum Speed - typical:558 mph (898 kph) @ Sea Level, 577 mph @ 6000 feet (1828 m), 492 mph (792 kph) @ 40,000 ft (12,192 km)

Maximum Speed - best:624 mph (929 kph) @ unknown alt (probably with -17 4000 lbs S.T. engine, Sept. 1946)

Cruise Speed: 410 mph (660 km/h)

Initial climb:4580 fpm

Sustained Climb:5.5 minutes to 20,000 ft (6,096 m)

Service Ceiling:45,000 ft (1,3716 m)

Range - Normal:780 miles (1,255 km)Maximum:1,440 miles (2,317 km) {note: wingtip tanks actually improved performance!}

GunsightK-14 lead computing gunsight

Armament:6 x .50 caliber M2 machine guns with 200-225 rpg , 10 x 5" HVAR's or 2000 lbs bombs.

I think the numbers speak for themselves. On top of these figures, the Me262 rolled poorly, the P-80 rolled extremely well. The P-80 also out-turned the Me262. I really cannot see any aspect of the Me262 that beats the P-80.

The P-80 would have blasted the Me262 from the skies with ease!

Let the debate begin!

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