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05-27-2004, 03:14 PM
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| I've mentioned the reason several times. It was ineffective, small field of fire and even smaller field of vision, and sighting guns through a periscope never worked.
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05-27-2004, 03:18 PM
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Country:  | exactily, it could only go 100 degrees each way and had 500 rpg...........
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05-27-2004, 03:28 PM
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| I've seen 750rpg. Anyway, it wasn't a very good design so the Brits yanked it.
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05-28-2004, 01:24 PM
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Country: | Any extra weight makes a difference, so adding that to your reasons, the RAF had every reason to not fit it.
Also I wasn't only thinking of the extra weight from the crew member, I was thinking of the extra life lost when the thing goes down.
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05-28-2004, 01:25 PM
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#245 | | Master of Ewes
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when the thing goes down.
| can we bit a bit more optimistic and say if???
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05-28-2004, 02:13 PM
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Country: | I was expecting that, ok we'll say if.
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05-29-2004, 09:04 AM
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#247 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | wy were you expecting it  ............
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05-29-2004, 12:57 PM
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Country:  | Yes because bomber Comand and the 8th were loosing a lot 
I love the B-24, but am not ashamed to say that they did go down and that crews were fighting un uphill battle to make the 35 missions to get home. If the air core only saw the value of the long rage escourts sooner, the P-38 was ready willing and very able.
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05-29-2004, 01:47 PM
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#249 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i just whached a documentary on UKTV History saying you had a 1/3 chance of completeing your tour of operations in RAF Bomber command............
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05-30-2004, 06:26 AM
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Country:  | channel 5 tonight, 9:00pm, watch it... i shall give no more info 
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05-30-2004, 11:12 AM
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#251 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | ok, looks like it's down to me, there's a show called "Fighter Plane Dig... Live", they're trying to dig up a hurricane that rammed a german bomber heading for buckingham palace..............
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05-30-2004, 11:15 AM
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05-30-2004, 02:04 PM
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#253 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | yes, and we all know how reliable they are.................
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05-30-2004, 07:51 PM
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Country: | I didn't watch it, I watched Captain Corelli's Mandolin.
B-17 crews said that there was more chance of surviving the whole war than the first 5 missions. For simpletons, they were saying if you survived the first five missions, you are likely to survive the whole war. Which wasn't true but it shows how many were lost inside of their first five.
After your first five, you were no longer a rookie crew.
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05-30-2004, 11:26 PM
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| I have a B-17 sim that mentions that after you complete you first five missions. MP-Willow, I the problem with using the P-38 as a long range escort sooner is that the P-38 was THE fighter for the Med. and every P-38 that would be spared was being rushed to North Africa. The remaining few were slowly trickling into the Pacific. As it was, the 8th never had more that 4 groups equipped with the P-38.
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