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10-02-2004, 04:20 AM
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#631 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | It wasnt crap for the first 3 years of the war..... With established air superiority, that plane struck fear into the hearts of millions....
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10-02-2004, 06:37 AM
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Country:  | Well, the first few months in the West. As soon as the Stuka was discovered not to be invincible (along with the Wehrmacht) in the Battle of Britain it had started to loss its edge.
It did always have something on the Eastern Front though. It was a good plane, if air superiority was gained.
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10-02-2004, 06:41 AM
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#633 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | I gotta find that post bronzewhaler82 made once about the good points of the stuka 
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10-02-2004, 12:44 PM
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#634 | | Minister of Whoopass
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It was a good plane, if air superiority was gained.
| Man, youre sounding just like John Kerry...
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10-02-2004, 01:35 PM
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#635 | | Master of Ewes
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it handles like a pig and its bloody slow too
| can't the same be said for the IL-2??
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10-02-2004, 03:57 PM
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#636 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country: | nope, the IL2 is dead easy to fly actually. Its a good plane for the novice to start off with.
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10-02-2004, 09:20 PM
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Country: | No. The Stuka was crap as a plane, ONLY good if air superiority was there. SO it was crap overall. No John 'Horseface' Kerry in there.
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10-02-2004, 11:45 PM
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#638 | | Minister of Whoopass
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10-03-2004, 07:33 AM
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#639 | | Master of Ewes
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the IL2 is dead easy to fly actually
| how easy it is to fly is not the same as it's manouverability................
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10-03-2004, 07:47 AM
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Country: | His face is huge. "Hey, John are you upset?" Kerry - "No..." "Then why the long face!?" Buh-zing. 
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10-03-2004, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass Quote: |
the IL2 is dead easy to fly actually
| how easy it is to fly is not the same as it's manouverability................ | And handling is not the same as manoeverability.
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10-03-2004, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bronzewhaler82 Yes the Stuka was a fine dive-bomber....as long as there wasn't any of the following in the immediate vacinity...
A) An enemy fighter
B) Anti-aircraft guns
C) A soldier with a rifle
D) A soldier with a pistol
E) A child with a peashooter
F) An OAP with a really dirty look on their face
because any one of the above could have crippled a Stuka with one fell swoop because lets face it....a plane thats easy to shoot down during wartime...is not much good at all - even if it can cause alot of damage given the oppurtunity....like clear skies for 100miles!
Sad but very very true. |
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10-03-2004, 09:06 AM
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#643 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Rudel was one of the greatest pilots of WWII and he was shot down over 30 times in the Stuka....
But if u look at the combat claims for German Aces over Russia, there are many many kills confirmed over Il-2's....
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10-03-2004, 09:12 AM
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Country: | I was thinking of asking the question what would win in a dogfight between the IL-2 and the Stuka, but its kinda obvious aint it.
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10-03-2004, 09:15 AM
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#645 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Il-2 wins 2 outta 3 and 8 outta 10.....
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