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10-22-2004, 03:34 PM
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#691 | | Minister of Whoopass
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10-22-2004, 03:39 PM
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#692 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | True Lanc. Having just prepared for a presentation on the Hellcat, I can say that it's primary role was a fighter and strafer. It could carry up to 2,000 lbs. of bombs (1 x 1,000 lbs. on each wing, or 6 rockets on pylons), but it was a fighter first. They had aircraft on the carriers specifically designed to be dive-bombers, like the TBM/TBF Avenger.
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10-23-2004, 01:21 PM
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#693 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | due to the fact the avenger had a proper bomb bay i don't think it was intended as a dive bomber, it was a torpedo bomber, the dauntless was a dive bomber.................
interestingly did you know that when the avenger was first flown they found it handled to well, to much like a fighter, so they had to "heavy up" the controlls so young pilots wouldn't get carried away with their flying.................
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10-23-2004, 02:41 PM
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#694 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Makes no sense to me, handling to well? I never thought it was possible for something to "handle too well".
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10-24-2004, 07:22 AM
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#695 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | well due to the fact that it was designed by the same people that made pretty damn good fighters, they'd made a torpedo bomber that was manouverable, that sounds like a good thing but it's bad for two reasons:-
1) the young pilots joining the navy were used to flying manouverable trainers, as such if they were put in a manouverable plane they may get a bit carried away with their flying and end up killing themselfs.............
2) for a torpedo launch you need a steady run, if your plane has very sensitive controlls it may jerk around suddenly just as you're dropping your fish, putting it off corse..................
also your crew mates not belted down into a seat might not approve of you flying upside down or pulling major Gs..............
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10-24-2004, 07:41 AM
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10-24-2004, 07:44 AM
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#697 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | BTW, the Navy's dive bomber for the last half of the Pacific Action was the Helldiver, a plane which did not live up to its expectations....
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10-24-2004, 08:03 AM
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#698 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i thought the helldiver was the older one and the dauntless the more modern one, wow, been getting that one wrong for a while now.............
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10-24-2004, 08:04 AM
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#699 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | No Lanc, the Helldiver was to replace the Dauntlass, which it did, just not so well....
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10-24-2004, 08:31 AM
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Country: | Would the Me-410 be classed a dive bomber?
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10-24-2004, 08:40 AM
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#701 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | No the -410 is classed as a high speed bomber and nightfighter.... The -210 can be classed as a dive/level bomber....
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10-24-2004, 11:24 AM
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Country: | Hmmm, I thought it was the other way around. I dont know much about the 210/410 though.
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10-24-2004, 11:26 AM
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#703 | | Minister of Whoopass
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10-24-2004, 04:27 PM
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#704 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country: | BTW this is a hint towards other more informed users to enlighten us on them
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10-25-2004, 12:02 AM
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#705 | | the old Sage
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Country: | as I side note before Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........
the Me 410 was classified as a bomber detsroyer not a night fighter. The nf useage was pure experimental as it never flew ops in this role with any NJG unit. Now it did fly in the intruder role over England with bomber units, KG 51 and 54 I believe.
the a/c was quite successful as a bomber destroyer with ZG 26 and 76 during 1944 before it was pulled and replaced by the Fw 190A-8 in most cases.
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