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11-23-2004, 01:20 PM
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#826 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | wel you could get hit by flack anywhere in a bomber, exept in the ball you saw it coming..................
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11-23-2004, 01:25 PM
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#827 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | exactly I would hate the ball.
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-23-2004, 03:27 PM
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#828 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass and the fact that they were known to simply fall away for no reason.......... | That was only on very early planes, the problem was fixed and this didnt happen after about 1942...
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11-24-2004, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Just a question where would the tail gunner go? Have you been in a B-17 There was no room for the tail gunner to just get up and run to get out of the way of a german fighter. | It depends a lot on the model. In the ones with the power tail gun unit and little cockpit, the gunner could move to get his head down under the armor plate. On the earlier models, he had no protection and so he could not move to a safer position. On all models, the ball turret gunner has almost no options.
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11-24-2004, 11:25 AM
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#830 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | And that is why the ball is the worst position.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-24-2004, 01:24 PM
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#831 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | what i find really weird is that the lanc's rear turret (dunno if it was on all planes) but the entry doors were armoured, but they were behind the pilot, what's the point??
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11-24-2004, 01:30 PM
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#832 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | It could have to do with the CG (center of gravity) of the aircraft. If you put to much weight in one certain spots it can make the aircraft dificult to fly and in some cases impossible. When we first got to Iraq we had the same problem when we installed armor plating in our Blackhawks, we had to calculate the CG to make sure that our aircraft would still fly correctly. That would just be my guess though.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-24-2004, 01:40 PM
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#833 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | well i don't think so because it was only a few mm and on a plane that size that extra weight wouldn't make a difference............
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11-24-2004, 01:55 PM
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#834 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | It does on all aircraft even a 747. 1 pound of weight in the nose of the a blackhawk can shift the CG a couple of inches which does not sound like a lot but will alter the flight characteristics drastically.
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11-24-2004, 02:19 PM
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#835 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | dude the armour would have weighed more than the difference between a small tail gunner and a large one, a problem the lanc managed with fine................
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11-24-2004, 02:22 PM
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#836 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | It also depends on where the weight is placed you have to take into fact that everything in the aircraft has to be placed there so that the CG is not out of balance. It does not matter if the weight is in the nose or the tail or in the middle of the aircraft. Now that may not be the reason why there was no armor there, that was just my guess.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-24-2004, 02:37 PM
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#837 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | and it was a good guess but i don't think that's the reason....................
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11-24-2004, 02:40 PM
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#838 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Well what do you think the reason was?
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-24-2004, 02:42 PM
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#839 | | Master of Ewes
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11-24-2004, 02:44 PM
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#840 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I dont know what kind of seats are installed in the cockpit of a Lanc but I know the cockpit seats in the blackhawk have less armor around them in the airframe because the seat itself is made out of kevlar, maybe the Lanc had similar seats obviously not kevlar but maybe steel.
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