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07-16-2007, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3  Eight .50's beats six .50's in any fight!
P47 is the best! | except for the one in which the six (or four) 50's are behind you..More German a/c were destroyed by those two combinations by far than the 'eight' | 
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07-17-2007, 10:38 PM
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| Whoops ! Should've read the title more carefully !
The FW-190 A-8 then IMO.
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07-18-2007, 12:11 AM
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Country: | I debated the P-47 vs. F4U-4. Both were powerful and rugged air-to-ground attackers. However the F4U-4 had a load lifting capability (fuel, ammo, weapons, pilot) of 3215 lbs and the P-47N had a load lifting capability of 5300 lbs or over 2000 lbs more lifting power than the F4U-4. That's a lot of extra weapons. Therefore, my vote is the P-47(N) which should have been on the list if the F4U-4 was. So I voted for the P-47D. | |
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07-18-2007, 06:02 AM
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| Hmm.. the F4U-4 is the closest to the FW-190 I think, 4x Hispano cannons available providing much more firepower than the 8x .50 cals on the P-47.
The FW-190 could carry 4,000 lbs worth of bombs, 6x 20mm cannons + 2x 13mm guns, or 4x 30mm Mk108's + 2x 20mm's & 2x 13mm's, or 2x 30mm MK103's + 2x 20mm MG-151/20's & 2x 13mm's. I don't know any other single seat single engined aircraft of that period able to carry this much firepower.
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07-18-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Stupid Because it says single seat attack plane in the title. The Il-2 in my opinion is the best overall attack plane, but again it was double seat. | Yeah I forgot the title of the poll again. Thanks... 
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07-18-2007, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Soren Hmm.. the F4U-4 is the closest to the FW-190 I think, 4x Hispano cannons available providing much more firepower than the 8x .50 cals on the P-47.
The FW-190 could carry 4,000 lbs worth of bombs, 6x 20mm cannons + 2x 13mm guns, or 4x 30mm Mk108's + 2x 20mm's & 2x 13mm's, or 2x 30mm MK103's + 2x 20mm MG-151/20's & 2x 13mm's. I don't know any other single seat single engined aircraft of that period able to carry this much firepower. | All the info I have (limited) on the Fw-190 is a gross weight of about 10-11, 000 lbs and an empty weight of 7500 to 8000 lbs. giving a load lifting value of about 3000 lbs. If you are talking about Max weight, the P-47N has a max weight of 20700 lbs and an empty weight of 11000 lbs., giving a load lifting capability of 9700 lbs. I would doubt that the Fw-190, in any configuration, could get half that value, and, the F4U-4 capability is also much less. By the way, this is more lifting weight than the AD-1 (first version of the A-1), which is 7522. | |
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07-18-2007, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by davparlr All the info I have (limited) on the Fw-190 is a gross weight of about 10-11, 000 lbs and an empty weight of 7500 to 8000 lbs. giving a load lifting value of about 3000 lbs. If you are talking about Max weight, the P-47N has a max weight of 20700 lbs and an empty weight of 11000 lbs., giving a load lifting capability of 9700 lbs. I would doubt that the Fw-190, in any configuration, could get half that value, and, the F4U-4 capability is also much less. By the way, this is more lifting weight than the AD-1 (first version of the A-1), which is 7522. | Davparlr, the FW-190 could carry a heavier bomb-load than the P-47 believe it or not, a 1,800 kg (4,000 lbs) bomb for example - the P-47 couldn't pull such a load.
You can't count from empty to gross weight..
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07-18-2007, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren Davparlr, the FW-190 could carry a heavier bomb-load than the P-47 believe it or not, a 1,800 kg (4,000 lbs) bomb for example - the P-47 couldn't pull such a load.
You can't count from empty to gross weight.. | I don’t understand this unless my data on Fw-190 weight is wrong. The best Fw-190A data I have, the A-3, had an empty weight of 6380 lbs. and a gross weight of 8751 lbs. leaving lifting weight of 2371 lbs. The D-9, with an empty weight of 7694 lbs and a gross weight of 10670, had a lifting weight of 2976. Now I don’t know how even the Germans can manage getting a pilot, fuel and 4000 lbs of bombs on board and not exceed the gross weight. Where is my data wrong? Are there other models MUCH more capable in lifting weight than the A-3 or the D-9? | |
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07-19-2007, 04:40 PM
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07-19-2007, 05:29 PM
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Country: | I would love to see the backup that shows an FW 190 with a 4000 lb bomb load. Anyway throw weight of 8 50 cal MGs on P47=12.72 lb/sec. Throw weight of 4-20mm cannon on F4U1C= 11.60 lb/sec. Throw weight of F6F5 with mix 2-20mm cannon, 4-50cal mg=12.16lb?sec. Not much to choose from there. There were 200 F4U1Cs made in WW2 and 297 F4U4Bs(also with 4-20mms) My reference shows both Corsair and P47 and Hellcat with a maximum bomb load of 2000 lbs but I am sure that was exceeded at times. I have read that Lindberg took off in a Corsair(probably an F4U1a) with a 1000 lb bomb under each wing and a 2000 lb bomb on the center line and delivered them to the Japanese. Because of much better performance at sea level, firepower, weapons load, maneuverability and dive brakes(if needed) my pick is the F4U4B. | |
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07-20-2007, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by renrich I would love to see the backup that shows an FW 190 with a 4000 lb bomb load. Anyway throw weight of 8 50 cal MGs on P47=12.72 lb/sec. Throw weight of 4-20mm cannon on F4U1C= 11.60 lb/sec. Throw weight of F6F5 with mix 2-20mm cannon, 4-50cal mg=12.16lb?sec. Not much to choose from there. There were 200 F4U1Cs made in WW2 and 297 F4U4Bs(also with 4-20mms) My reference shows both Corsair and P47 and Hellcat with a maximum bomb load of 2000 lbs but I am sure that was exceeded at times. I have read that Lindberg took off in a Corsair(probably an F4U1a) with a 1000 lb bomb under each wing and a 2000 lb bomb on the center line and delivered them to the Japanese. | This is reasonable. With a slightly reduced fuel load, this load could be below Max weight for the F4U-1. Quote: |
Because of much better performance at sea level, firepower, weapons load, maneuverability and dive brakes(if needed) my pick is the F4U4B.
| P-47N was pretty equavalent in speed to the F4U-4 at sealevel (about 9 mph slower) but could carry a much greater load (5500 lbs for the P-47N at gross compared to the 3215 for the F4U-4, a whopping 9700 lbs at max for the P-47N compared to the 5465 for the F4U-4. So at similar fuel loaded, the P-47N could carry about 2300 lbs more ordinance than the F4U-4 at gross weight.) | |
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07-20-2007, 07:00 PM
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Country: | Dav, my reference shows the P47N could make about 360 mph at sealevel and it had a lousy rate of climb, not much better than 1700 fpm up to 20000 ft. The 4 Corsair could touch 380 mph at sea level and it's rate of climb low was 3900fpm. I don't have all the load figures for the P47N in front of me but I have to believe in order to carry the large ordnance load claimed they had to not be carrying a full wing of fuel. They must have had to have a long runway also as the P47 was noted as a ground lover. I will still take the F4U4B for survivability, fire power, ordnance load, accuracy of bombing, short field capability in overload condition and besides it proved itself in two major wars and a lot of little ones. | |
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