Most evenly matched-- 1939-40 ETO - Aircraft of World War II

Oreo · 07-25-2008, 06:13 PM

Again, we are asking you which pair of fighters is most evenly matched in a dogfight. We are assuming everything else is equal, in terms of pilots' ability, stategic situations, etc.

Please don't say "oh, you should have included x-y-z in this poll." No, I have chosen a few based on my own thoughts. Also, please don't say "Those two never met in combat!" Well, I never said they did. However, I will try to limit the options to pairs that did or could have met in combat, with perhaps one or two intriguing exceptions.

timshatz · 07-25-2008, 06:31 PM

The Spitfire/109 duel of 1940 is historic. Probably a good reason why half the people on this board are here.

Oreo · 07-25-2008, 06:33 PM

yeah-- I almost didn't put that pairing on here because I figured a bunch of people would vote for it "just because" without considering any other options. Oh well. If I had left it out, ten thousand people would have let me know!

freebird · 07-25-2008, 07:14 PM

Hey Oreo you should make your polls multi-choice, there could be several good matches, I can't pick just one. And "make votes public" is good too so we can see who voted for what.

P.S. if you put the Me110 in the poll it should have been against another twin - The Beaufighter or the Whirlwind. would be good...

Oreo · 07-25-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebird

Hey Oreo you should make your polls multi-choice, there could be several good matches, I can't pick just one. And "make votes public" is good too so we can see who voted for what.

P.S. if you put the Me110 in the poll it should have been against another twin - The Beaufighter or the Whirlwind. would be good...

OK, I'll try a multiple choice one some time, and I'll also include the Bf 110 against the Beau when I do the Western front, 1941-45. For the record, you'll find it also in my poll I already did-- Most evenly matched, MTO.

freebird · 07-25-2008, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oreo

OK, I'll try a multiple choice one some time, and I'll also include the Bf 110 against the Beau when I do the Western front, 1941-45. For the record, you'll find it also in my poll I already did-- Most evenly matched, MTO.

Oh I didn't see that one, I'll take a look. Although it seems like the Me-110 was a rather poorer performer in those contests.....

I might just have to vote for the Gladiator, probably the only time it could be the "best" or the "most" in any category!!

kool kitty89 · 07-25-2008, 08:53 PM

I think the Cr.42 vs Gladiator in the MTO thread would be closer matched though.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-26-2008, 06:44 AM

Out of this poll I will have to go with the 109 and Spit, but the Bf 109E still held quite an advantage at this point I believe.

The major advantage of the 109 was its fuel injection.

The 109 was a big step over the Hurricane.

Gnomey · 07-26-2008, 11:14 AM

The 109 certainly was a big step up over the Hurricane and as Alder says the main area of superiority of the 109E of the Spit Ia was the fuel injection, when this was fixed the match was pretty much even. Also a multi choice poll would make more sense for this type of question as others have said.

Oreo · 07-26-2008, 12:09 PM

The only problem with a multi-choice poll is that it stops being a "most" thing and becomes an "is" thing, which is not what I was after. That would be like saying, "out of these twenty planes, which ones do you think were good?" which in my opinion waters down the results so much as to not make it relavent.

Juha · 07-26-2008, 03:21 PM

I voted for Spit IA vs Bf 109E, I'm thinking of E-3s and -4s.

Juha

View Poll Results: Most evenly matched figher pair, 1939-40 ETO
PZL p.11 v. Polykarpov I-15bis	0	0%
PZL P.11 v. Heinkel He 51	0	0%
Gladiator (Finland) v. I-153	0	0%
MS 406 v. Bf 109C	0	0%
H 75 v. Bf 109E	0	0%
MB 152C v. Bf 109E	0	0%
Definat I v. Bf 110C	0	0%
Hurricane I v. Bf 109E	1	9.09%
Spitfire IA v. Bf 109E	7	63.64%
Hawk 75 vs. Mc 200	2	18.18%
D 520 v. Bf 109E	1	9.09%
MS 406 v. Fiat G.50	0	0%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

07-25-2008, 06:13 PM	#1
Oreo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 277	Most evenly matched-- 1939-40 ETO Again, we are asking you which pair of fighters is most evenly matched in a dogfight. We are assuming everything else is equal, in terms of pilots' ability, stategic situations, etc. Please don't say "oh, you should have included x-y-z in this poll." No, I have chosen a few based on my own thoughts. Also, please don't say "Those two never met in combat!" Well, I never said they did. However, I will try to limit the options to pairs that did or could have met in combat, with perhaps one or two intriguing exceptions.

07-25-2008, 07:14 PM	#4
freebird Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,281	Hey Oreo you should make your polls multi-choice, there could be several good matches, I can't pick just one. And "make votes public" is good too so we can see who voted for what. P.S. if you put the Me110 in the poll it should have been against another twin - The Beaufighter or the Whirlwind. would be good... __________________

07-26-2008, 06:44 AM	#8
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Out of this poll I will have to go with the 109 and Spit, but the Bf 109E still held quite an advantage at this point I believe. The major advantage of the 109 was its fuel injection. The 109 was a big step over the Hurricane. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

07-26-2008, 11:14 AM	#9
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	The 109 certainly was a big step up over the Hurricane and as Alder says the main area of superiority of the 109E of the Spit Ia was the fuel injection, when this was fixed the match was pretty much even. Also a multi choice poll would make more sense for this type of question as others have said. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

07-25-2008, 06:31 PM	#2
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,446	The Spitfire/109 duel of 1940 is historic. Probably a good reason why half the people on this board are here.

07-25-2008, 06:33 PM	#3
Oreo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 277	yeah-- I almost didn't put that pairing on here because I figured a bunch of people would vote for it "just because" without considering any other options. Oh well. If I had left it out, ten thousand people would have let me know!

07-25-2008, 08:53 PM	#7
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	I think the Cr.42 vs Gladiator in the MTO thread would be closer matched though.

07-26-2008, 12:09 PM	#10
Oreo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 277	The only problem with a multi-choice poll is that it stops being a "most" thing and becomes an "is" thing, which is not what I was after. That would be like saying, "out of these twenty planes, which ones do you think were good?" which in my opinion waters down the results so much as to not make it relavent.

07-26-2008, 03:21 PM	#11
Juha Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Helsinki Posts: 1,361	I voted for Spit IA vs Bf 109E, I'm thinking of E-3s and -4s. Juha

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