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07-02-2004, 02:03 PM
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#16 | | Master of Ewes
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07-17-2004, 06:22 PM
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| I prefer the P-47. The M model was faster than most mustangs, the N model had a ridiculous range, and, 8 Browning .50's is better than six. I don't know nearly as much as the rest of you, but it could almost certainly dive faster, and was probably tougher to kill and more rugged. The P-51 has it in high-altitude performance, and probably is a bit more manuverable, but I'd still take the Jug.
Plus, I think it looked so much more manly, I love radials.
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07-17-2004, 09:10 PM
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Country: | The P-51 had a longer range, too. The N was a little too late for the war, although I believe it saw some service in the Pacific.
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07-18-2004, 02:13 AM
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| Ah, yes, longer range.
I belive that the N did see service escorting B-29's during some of the final runs, it had a range of 2350 miles with tanks, if I'm not mistaken.
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12-10-2004, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese looked a lot better | Amen to that brother!!!
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12-11-2004, 03:02 PM
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12-25-2004, 05:09 PM
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| German documents/interviews I've come in contact with credit the P-47 as much more instramental in the defeat of the Luftwaffe.
The P-38L beats them both! | |
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12-26-2004, 06:55 AM
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#23 | | Master of Ewes
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12-27-2004, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass no it didn't................. | In what respect? It flew, climbed, and accelerated faster, carried more flew further, and higher, out rolled, and out turned them.
In the words of a P-51/P-38 combat pilot (Ithink it was Art Hieden) "There is nothing a P-51 can do that a P-38L cant Do better" he flew the P-38s first.  . In interviewing a number of P-51/P-38 pilots, C.C. Jordan, some of whom prefered the P-51 the most derogitive comment was that it was an "icewagon" ( early models). All conceeded the P-38 gave nothing away in ACM.
The P-47 had a survivability edge at straffing but that's it unless you want to figure in the P-51H and the P-47N/M then they have a top speed advantage. As the wildcat showed that isn't enough by itself.
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12-27-2004, 06:51 PM
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#25 | | the old Sage
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Country: | every German Luftw vet said the P-51 was the contender for air space over the Reich from the summer of 44 till war's end.............sorry guys | |
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12-28-2004, 02:53 PM
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| That may be so, however the German leaders gave the P-47 the credit for destroying the Luftwaffe.
The P-38s were being used more for ground attack after early summer '44 but was in a large part responsible for the air control that was achieved by that time. Remember the P-38 gave better than it got when the Germans owned the sky over Germany when the odds were 10-50 to one. | |
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12-28-2004, 03:03 PM
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#27 | | the old Sage
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12-29-2004, 02:09 AM
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#28 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Many of Germanys Top Aces in Europe were shot down by P-47's, as well as a few Me262's...... It was a good plane.....
But I agree with Erich, that the majority of Luftwaffe pilots respected the P-51D more so than the P-47.....
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12-29-2004, 08:48 AM
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Country: | Kind of an unfair comparison. The P-47 did a reasonable job for bomber escort before the P-51s arrived. Obviously, the range of the 51 was it's greatest strength. After the P-51s got to Europe in numbers, the P-47 was more focused on ground attack, which it did very well. Even then though, it still managed to wrack up quite a number of air-to-air kills. For the pilots, I am sure they would say the P-51. I am not sure what the guys on the ground at the airfields would say, but I would venture to guess the P-47. It kind of depends on what you see more of, I would think.
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12-29-2004, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Many of Germanys Top Aces in Europe were shot down by P-47's, as well as a few Me262's...... It was a good plane.....
But I agree with Erich, that the majority of Luftwaffe pilots respected the P-51D more so than the P-47..... | I'm not sure where the statements about the P-47 doing the most damage came from but I've seen that statement from several sources and it does include the ground attack portion. I'll try to fing some of those references.
As an escort the P-51s would be the focus of the fighter pilot so naturaly they would consider them the greater opponent.
The P-51s smothered more than out fought the Luftwaffe. It was good enough, more than the best aircraft. They also had training/experiance over just about any aircraft in the war, even more so, as the war went on. | |
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