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01-07-2005, 08:35 AM
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#61 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | The incident happened in mid 1944... I dont think a W/C would have been in a IX.. He was flying a Mk XIV....
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01-07-2005, 08:57 AM
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Country:  | Mk. IXs were used right up until the wars end.
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01-07-2005, 05:09 PM
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#63 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | This is true...
Anyways the subject is moot, because he was flying a Mk XIV....
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01-07-2005, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D From all the stories I've heard about the -38 - Spit encounter it was a Mk. IX.
And there was no Mk. XV Spitfire. It was a Seafire Mk. XV | In the book he Specificaly states "5 blade prop and Griffon engine" He also misquotes Gallands kills when he recounts his encounter with Galland in a 190Dora.
The Spit story in the book was told several years later and coroberated by others. The story about Galland and the fw-190d was coroborated by Galland himself in the preseance of others. I've seen different stories to the same end but cannot cite sources so I won't.
Thanks for reminding me where I first found the Spit story, Primus. | |
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01-07-2005, 10:59 PM
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Country: | He does claim Galland had over 300 kills, but i dont think that was John Lowells messup, i think it was the individual that did the final write for the book....
It does not say anyhting about a griffon engine, but does say 5 bladed prop....
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01-07-2005, 11:20 PM
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#66 | | the old Sage
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Country: | better check your sources friend, Galland never flew a Dora 9 on missions. He went from JG 26 to the Generalstab until his commanding posting to JV 44 and Me 262 in 1945 | |
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01-07-2005, 11:24 PM
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#67 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | The story refers to them as "Long-Nosed" -190's.... Galland has confirmed this engagement and story.... Maybe it wasnt a -9????
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01-07-2005, 11:25 PM
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#68 | | the old Sage
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Country: | just re-read the story, what fantasy. Ja I shot down 8 P-38. He got one truthfully while flying a Me 262 in JV 44. The story is nonsense....sorry guys...... | |
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01-07-2005, 11:59 PM
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#69 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Hmmmm...... Kinda bursting my bubble Erich..... **sniffles...
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01-08-2005, 12:06 AM
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| If I am flying a ground attack mission, I want the P-47. If its a air-to-air mission I have to prefer the P-51.
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01-08-2005, 07:27 AM
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Country: | i'd agree with that............
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01-08-2005, 11:40 AM
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Country:  | Id just take the P-47 in any circumstance...
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01-08-2005, 12:08 PM
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#73 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Im with LG and Lanc on this one....
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01-08-2005, 01:58 PM
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| The P-47 didn't handle nearly as well as the P-51 in air-to-air. The P-51 would out run, out climb, and out turn the P-47. Even in the areas where the P-47 had some advantage (dive and roll) the P-51 was still better than most of the opponents it would be facing.
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01-09-2005, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus He does claim Galland had over 300 kills, but i dont think that was John Lowells messup, i think it was the individual that did the final write for the book....
It does not say anyhting about a griffon engine, but does say 5 bladed prop.... | It said "bigger engine" I intrepreted that to mean Griffon as that was the only bigger engine available. Maybe I was off base if so I appoligize, it's not my intention to exagerate the P-38 has had enough of that in both directions already! | |
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