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06-12-2006, 09:38 AM
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#31 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Ricardox is working himself to getting band without even starting off in this forum.
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | 
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06-12-2006, 05:59 PM
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#32 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | Im with u Erich, and I have stated years ago that these threads are all guessing and hypotheticals... Its all bout the guy strapped in....
And for the record, the P-51D was not the best fighter of WW2......
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06-12-2006, 06:02 PM
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#33 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeah but they can make for interesting conversations.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-12-2006, 06:40 PM
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#34 | | Minister of Whoopass
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06-13-2006, 07:32 AM
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06-13-2006, 09:46 AM
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#36 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Your still a noob... 
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-13-2006, 12:13 PM
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Country: | Just a noob putting in another two cents worth, but I've always said that in a dogfight, it's seventy-five percent the pilot and twenty-five percent the aircraft. That's without factoring in conditions of how the fight comes about.
Either way, it'd be one helluva fight to have filmed, eh?  | |
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06-13-2006, 01:16 PM
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#38 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | And I would agree with you for the most part, unless you are talking Bf-109G vs. P-26. Then pilot skill does not factor that much because the Peashooter is going down.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-13-2006, 03:06 PM
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Country:  | I have heard of Bong (I think it was anyway) who managed to stay on the tail of a P-38 in a T-6 and the P-38 pilot couldn't shake him...
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06-13-2006, 07:58 PM
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Country: | I am still bugged by the continuous desire to compare the P-51D to aircraft that came out a year or more after it and that probably were specifically designed to to combat it. That was a generation of aircraft design in those prolific days. It is like comparing the F-4 to the F-15. I have read many good dicsussions on the comparisons of the P-51 to the P-38, F4U, FW190D (although the F4U-4 and 190D were a good six months after the P-51D). Comparing it to a K4 is not relevant. Most of these advance aircraft barely made it into the air, much less into the war. Please keep the sides equal.
Also, the P-51K performed less than the D. I think the orginator meant the P-51H. | |
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06-13-2006, 08:19 PM
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#41 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Did the P-51D engage in aerial combat with the Bf-109K-14??? If so, ur argument Quote: |
I am still bugged by the continuous desire to compare the P-51D to aircraft that came out a year or more after it
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06-14-2006, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Did the P-51D engage in aerial combat with the Bf-109K-14??? If so, ur argument is bullsh*t.... | Since my research indicates indicates that only TWO (like one, two) K-14s made it to the front, it is unlikely. And, the argument that the K-14 was a generation past the P-51D and more in the P-51H, which was 30 mph faster than the K-14, is valid. | |
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06-15-2006, 01:29 AM
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#43 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | When he started the thread, he meant to put K-4 not K-14. Thats why it is a valid arguement.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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06-15-2006, 06:22 AM
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#44 | | Senior Member
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Country: | besides, if comparing a plane that came out a year later than the other is invalid... then the 109 vs Spitfire argument is invalid
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06-15-2006, 10:43 AM
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#45 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I dont believe any K-14s made it to the front since as far as I know only 2 if any where actually built and were prototypes.
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