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09-20-2006, 10:08 AM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | The only 9mm gun I would willingly carry if I had a choice would be a Walther PPK, and even then, only as a weapon of last resort. No, its not for the James Bond factor, its because its great for concealment. | 
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09-20-2006, 10:17 AM
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#32 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Ive allways like the PPK because of the James Bond factor.
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-20-2006, 10:25 AM
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#33 | | Senior Member
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Ive allways like the PPK because of the James Bond factor.
| I like for that too, but I mostly like it just for the concealability. | |
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09-20-2006, 10:26 AM
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#34 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Can someone tell me how many 9mm magazines issued in the Berreta and how many .45 magazines you would be issued for the 1911?
Aren't some branches still issuing PPK's to there officers?
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09-20-2006, 10:28 AM
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#35 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Well the standard issue for us when we flew out on a combat mission in Iraq for our 9mm Barretta was two 15 round clips but they handed out ammo like candy over there so we rounded up so many clips and I had one clip in the gun with a round chambered and 2 clips in my holster plus about 4 more clips in my flight bag for a total of 105 rounds.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-20-2006, 12:57 PM
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#36 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut
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Country: | Hey Adler, why did the U.S. Army switch to the 9MM from the .45? | |
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09-20-2006, 01:00 PM
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#37 | | Senior Member
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| More rounds pr clip, thats pretty much it.
__________________  We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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09-20-2006, 01:01 PM
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#38 | | Senior Member
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Country: | ah, but, wouldn't stopping power be better than clip size? | |
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09-20-2006, 02:03 PM
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#39 | | Senior Member
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| Ofcourse it would, and the Beretta's only forte is its large clip. The US army would've been much better off with the FN Browning High Power or the Neuhausen.
The reason I love the Neuhausen is because of its truly exceptional accuracy and high muzzle velocity of some 380 m/s with the std. 9mm 124gr round, thats 578 Joules of kinetic energy, so it packs a good punch as-well.
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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09-20-2006, 02:07 PM
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#40 | | Senior Member
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Country: | ah, the why the change?
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09-20-2006, 03:01 PM
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#41 | | aka Dickcheese
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State
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Country: | .45 has more recoil than 9mm, 1911's were getting old, 1911 single action was viewed as less than ideal (unsafe to scoot and shoot with sidearm cocked and locked), more 9mm can fit in clip, NATO adopted round, and average soldier skill level was [supposedly] better matched with 9mm.
I love my Beretta. However, the grip circumference is too large for small handed people. The trigger reach is ridiculous in double action, but if maintained the action is smooth as butter right out of the box with no tuning.
I like the 1911, like the round, but hate the hammerbite with the GI grip safety.
My philosophy is don't lose your rifle. However, any hit with any caliber pistol/revolver is better than a miss. And with a DE .50AE, you are going to miss. A lot. Makes a better boat anchor.
My choice? In order of preference
1) Glock 22
2) CZ-75
3) Browning HiPower
You can't beat a Glock for simplicity, maintenance, and sheer ruggedness.
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09-20-2006, 04:46 PM
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#42 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Matt308 I love my Beretta. However, the grip circumference is too large for small handed people. The trigger reach is ridiculous in double action, but if maintained the action is smooth as butter right out of the box with no tuning. | I can not stand my Baretta. It has been used to much and over the years just cant hack it anymore. The parts are constantly having to be replaced such as the spring and what not. Dont like the stopping power of it either.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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09-20-2006, 05:04 PM
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#43 | | the old Sage
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Country: | curious Chris were you guys ever issued special .45 auto's ? nothing like a mini gun with 15-18 round special "silly" clips | |
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09-20-2006, 05:14 PM
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#44 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Soren, said situation happened in Somolia...
And as far as the "What if" situation, I would use what I always used for CQC, a stumped sawed off Mossberg with 00 shot... Saved my life several times...
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09-20-2006, 05:26 PM
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#45 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Erich curious Chris were you guys ever issued special .45 auto's ? nothing like a mini gun with 15-18 round special "silly" clips | Nope we were issued per aircraft 4 Baretta 9mm, 2 M-60D Machine Guns, and 2 M-4 Carbines.
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