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09-26-2007, 07:52 AM
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| Older Than Dirt   Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Va.
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I gotta agree with TO..... the American fighting man, citizen soldiers, professional military men (read: "lifers").... whatever you wanna call them. If they had been allowed to fight, Korea would have gotten it's clock cleaned. But, no.... you can come into my yard, but I can't go into yours. Remember the 38th parrallel ? BS ! Ditto with Viet Nam..... you can't bomb Hanoi ! Politicians.... bah ! Charles
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09-26-2007, 08:58 AM
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09-26-2007, 10:15 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Campospinoso (PV), Italy
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| talking about Crusades, why not remember the great 'enemy' Salah-al-Din (Saladin) and his troops? Beside being a great warrior ("By the time he died in Damascus in 1193, he had liberated almost all of Palestine from the armies of England, France, Burgandy, Flanders, Sicily, Austria and, in effect, from the world power of the Pope") , he was the one who taught Chivalry to everybody, first of all the crusader knights. Even the ultra-christian Dante put him not in hell but among the 'virtuos Pagan souls' in limbo...
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09-26-2007, 10:18 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Scurry, Texas
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No question regarding ferocity and adaptability of the Viking, the Spartan, the Crusader, the Apache, the Mongol, the Marine, Roger's Ranger, Texas Ranger, Roman Legionairre.. so maybe the question is whether you could take a tough Viking and in six months turn him into a top SEAL? and vice versa? | |
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09-26-2007, 12:37 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dordrecht
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| The Frisians? They were one of the few who could keep out the Romans.
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09-26-2007, 01:02 PM
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| Der Crewchief  Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| I think in order to seriously debate something like this it has to be broken down into time frames. You cant compare modern soldiers to the Roman Legions or Viking and so forth. Different times, different wars, different reasons to fight...
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09-26-2007, 01:41 PM
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09-26-2007, 02:07 PM
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| Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| Agreed thats why I really can not choose anyone.
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09-26-2007, 02:27 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado
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| "Lee's Miserables" more specifically the infantry of the Army of Northern Virginia and even more specifically, the 1st, 4th and 5th Texas, the 18th Georgia and the 3rd Arkansas, The Texas Brigade, Lee's Grenadier Guard. They were ill equipped, ill fed and outnumbered but they never quit and they almost always prevailed. |
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09-26-2007, 03:11 PM
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09-26-2007, 04:55 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Aquincum, Pannonia Prima
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| As a classical one for all times, I'd go with the Roman Legions. Hell they set down the basics of basically all modern military, in an age where half of mankind was still closer to barbarism, these guys made a model army with standardized equipment, standard procedures and standard training and standard infantry tactics. The first and most classic 'modern' army, and the only one in history for a good 1500 years after the Imperium Romanum fell... Not to mention, pig headed as hell. What they got into their heads they achieved in the end, no matter how many setbacks and defeats it took.  That's the fortress of Masada in Judea. The enormous, almost 400 feet high rampart on the Western side was raised by the Romans to enable them to get to the walls. You can also see the remants of the standard layout Roman military camp on the right.. and it still stands today...
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09-26-2007, 05:31 PM
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09-26-2007, 05:38 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2007
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| If you include the romans then you have to include Hannibal and Carthage. The battle of Cannae. The number of dead in a day wasn't bettered until WW2. From a English point of view...Ill go Agincourt 1415. |
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09-26-2007, 06:17 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Scurry, Texas
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A tough question, probably not in two months but... five to six months of intensive simulator and actual flight time - maybe. Depends on level of proficiency you want as a pilot versus level as SOCOM operator? My hesitation pre supposes that a competent pilot being trained as back up team medico, combined with Demo/explosives theory and application for blowing modern bridges, combined with night HALO's, subsurface penetration and beach head mapping, night precision marches in dark w/cloud cover and nothing but compass and 30 inch pace, etc, etc.. how long will that take - not to pass a test but truly a Pro... I mean can she handle it? (remembering there are damned competent female pilots..) If you scratch High G fighter pilot manuevers and stick to flying a C-130 or a AH-1 or KC-135, you could also be a diabetic with bad eyes and have heart problems and a vagina and still be 'proficient'...but you would never be on a SEAL team or survive BUDS or SAS training. And, by the way not every SEAL will become a Master horseman or Long Bowman or Lance and Broadsword weilding Knight in a couple of months. I would say it's easier to acquire all the skills to be a proficient pilot than a proficient SpecWar animal - and the specwar animal is probably more trainable faster as an Apache scout or Viking or Legionaire than a fighter pilot could adapt. Lord knows I do NOT denigrate fighter pilots as warriors, but I'm mentally putting this classification in the context of 100 different warriors from different times in individual combat, one on one, in a series of maybe 20 tests, one of which might be flying an airplane.. If the airplane qual was last he probably wouldn't be around very long? (If it was first he might win against everybody) Peace Bro - this is an 'intellectual'?? exercise Regards, Bill | |
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09-26-2007, 06:50 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA
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| Pilots gotta stand G's. That picture of Masada looks great. It was certainly one of the best fortresses in History for mountaintop defence.
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