 | The ultimate warrior of all time| Polls Discuss The ultimate warrior of all time in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by ToughOmbre
Lot's of contenders, but for me there is no doubt....
The citizen soldiers of the ... |
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09-26-2007, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ToughOmbre  Lot's of contenders, but for me there is no doubt....
The citizen soldiers of the USA who have defended America for 231 years.
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I gotta agree with TO..... the American fighting man, citizen soldiers,
professional military men (read: "lifers").... whatever you wanna call them.
If they had been allowed to fight, Korea would have gotten it's clock
cleaned. But, no.... you can come into my yard, but I can't go into yours.
Remember the 38th parrallel ? BS ! Ditto with Viet Nam..... you can't bomb
Hanoi ! Politicians.... bah !
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Originally Posted by Soren Please guys take this seriously, jokes are always welcome but they need to b good ! 
mkloby,
Yes its a great painting, here it is in a bigger size (Where did you get the wallpaper version ?):  | I'm sorry - it wasn't wallpaper size. That would be awesome if it was that size. I just adjusted it to fill the screen, with obvious negative effects on image quality.
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| talking about Crusades, why not remember the great 'enemy' Salah-al-Din (Saladin) and his troops?
Beside being a great warrior ("By the time he died in Damascus in 1193, he had liberated almost all of Palestine from the armies of England, France, Burgandy, Flanders, Sicily, Austria and, in effect, from the world power of the Pope") , he was the one who taught Chivalry to everybody, first of all the crusader knights.
Even the ultra-christian Dante put him not in hell but among the 'virtuos Pagan souls' in limbo...
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Originally Posted by mkloby I'm sorry - it wasn't wallpaper size. That would be awesome if it was that size. I just adjusted it to fill the screen, with obvious negative effects on image quality. | I have no idea what criteria would set the stage for 'best'.. but if it was to place your candidate in any time frame and give them a couple of months to adapt to the weapons and tactics - then give me SAS/SEAL/Force Recon/Special Forces/Spetnatz -
No question regarding ferocity and adaptability of the Viking, the Spartan, the Crusader, the Apache, the Mongol, the Marine, Roger's Ranger, Texas Ranger, Roman Legionairre.. so maybe the question is whether you could take a tough Viking and in six months turn him into a top SEAL? and vice versa? | 
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Country:  | I think in order to seriously debate something like this it has to be broken down into time frames.
You cant compare modern soldiers to the Roman Legions or Viking and so forth. Different times, different wars, different reasons to fight...
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09-26-2007, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I think in order to seriously debate something like this it has to be broken down into time frames.
You cant compare modern soldiers to the Roman Legions or Viking and so forth. Different times, different wars, different reasons to fight... | This is the essential problem with any global/time 'comparisons' as well as the necessary distinction between horseman, sailor, infantry etc in what they were great at - then take into account fieldcraft.. an Apache for instance would be one hell of an adversary if firearms were banned. | |
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Country: | "Lee's Miserables" more specifically the infantry of the Army of Northern Virginia and even more specifically, the 1st, 4th and 5th Texas, the 18th Georgia and the 3rd Arkansas, The Texas Brigade, Lee's Grenadier Guard. They were ill equipped, ill fed and outnumbered but they never quit and they almost always prevailed. | |
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Agreed thats why I really can not choose anyone. | Ditto - even with a Schmedley Butler with Two MOH in two separate wars or someone like Chesty Puller, there are too many KNOWN examples of ridiculous courage and skill to choose - how would we rank a Crusader, or a People's Republic of North Korea, or Soviet, or 'top' Mongol as the ultimate warrior? | |
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Country:  | As a classical one for all times, I'd go with the Roman Legions. Hell they set down the basics of basically all modern military, in an age where half of mankind was still closer to barbarism, these guys made a model army with standardized equipment, standard procedures and standard training and standard infantry tactics. The first and most classic 'modern' army, and the only one in history for a good 1500 years after the Imperium Romanum fell...
Not to mention, pig headed as hell. What they got into their heads they achieved in the end, no matter how many setbacks and defeats it took. 
That's the fortress of Masada in Judea. The enormous, almost 400 feet high rampart on the Western side was raised by the Romans to enable them to get to the walls. You can also see the remants of the standard layout Roman military camp on the right.. and it still stands today...
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Originally Posted by drgondog I have no idea what criteria would set the stage for 'best'.. but if it was to place your candidate in any time frame and give them a couple of months to adapt to the weapons and tactics - then give me SAS/SEAL/Force Recon/Special Forces/Spetnatz -
No question regarding ferocity and adaptability of the Viking, the Spartan, the Crusader, the Apache, the Mongol, the Marine, Roger's Ranger, Texas Ranger, Roman Legionairre.. so maybe the question is whether you could take a tough Viking and in six months turn him into a top SEAL? and vice versa? | Just something to think about - can you take a SEAL, Ranger, etc and turn them into a proficient military pilot in a few months???
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Country:  | If you include the romans then you have to include Hannibal and Carthage. The battle of Cannae.
The number of dead in a day wasn't bettered until WW2.
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Originally Posted by mkloby Just something to think about - can you take a SEAL, Ranger, etc and turn them into a proficient military pilot in a few months??? | Short answer No.
A tough question, probably not in two months but... five to six months of intensive simulator and actual flight time - maybe. Depends on level of proficiency you want as a pilot versus level as SOCOM operator?
My hesitation pre supposes that a competent pilot being trained as back up team medico, combined with Demo/explosives theory and application for blowing modern bridges, combined with night HALO's, subsurface penetration and beach head mapping, night precision marches in dark w/cloud cover and nothing but compass and 30 inch pace, etc, etc.. how long will that take - not to pass a test but truly a Pro... I mean can she handle it? (remembering there are damned competent female pilots..)
If you scratch High G fighter pilot manuevers and stick to flying a C-130 or a AH-1 or KC-135, you could also be a diabetic with bad eyes and have heart problems and a vagina and still be 'proficient'...but you would never be on a SEAL team or survive BUDS or SAS training.
And, by the way not every SEAL will become a Master horseman or Long Bowman or Lance and Broadsword weilding Knight in a couple of months.
I would say it's easier to acquire all the skills to be a proficient pilot than a proficient SpecWar animal - and the specwar animal is probably more trainable faster as an Apache scout or Viking or Legionaire than a fighter pilot could adapt.
Lord knows I do NOT denigrate fighter pilots as warriors, but I'm mentally putting this classification in the context of 100 different warriors from different times in individual combat, one on one, in a series of maybe 20 tests, one of which might be flying an airplane..
If the airplane qual was last he probably wouldn't be around very long? (If it was first he might win against everybody)
Peace Bro - this is an 'intellectual'?? exercise
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That picture of Masada looks great. It was certainly one of the best fortresses in History for mountaintop defence.
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