Who won Vietnam?!?

[Emac44]

I have to agree with most of the comments from our allies in the US. The allies won the military engagements in Vietnam. However like Korea it was lost by politicans giving by default the war to North Vietnam. Its easy to say that given hindsight of over 30 years ago Vietnam was won by the NVA. it wasn't and if one looks clinically at Vietnam it was battles won on the field which should have decided Vietnam right from the word go. Politicans lost Vietnam not the Allied grunts airmen and sailors serving in Vietnam at the time. Me thinks i smell some anti feelings over the lead Ally in Vietnam surfacing in this poll. perhaps i maybe wrong. Australians served in Vietnam as well and some were family members of mine. to them it was a war they feel we should never have been involved in in retrospect but they like other members of my family are treated with respect and honour due to them. they served because they were in the military and it was expected of them to serve. a better poll would be one which large scale battle had significant effects in Vietnam over all. one i would suggest Tet offensive compared to Battle of Long Tan or the effect of the Air war campaign over North Vietnam and Hanio etc

[Glider]

Personally I feel that the war was won by the North Vietnamese. That isn't an anti American statement, its a statement of fact given the end result.

However I also agree that the USA won the battles but lost the war, and that the blame for the loss was with the politicans not the men on the ground. They were lions led by lambs who almost without exception ensured that their nearest and dearest were kept well out of harms way.

[FLYBOYJ]

All good stuff, I blame these two idiots for getting the US in there to begin with.



And don't believe in a minute that kennedy was planning a pullout....

[Erich]

don't forget all the presidents involved including Herr Truman

it wasn't even a declared war another idiotic police action like Korea. Nobody won, we just pulled out .........-] \ ~ s ♀

[FLYBOYJ]

Yep...

[abhiginimav]

Thanks for your comments and votes gouys...its been god to have my first post filled with mixed opinions. it has been very interesting reading them.

Rip all thoose who served in Vietnam- on both sides

[Erich]

let's face it, no-one here will fully understand nor should pass any judgement unless you were there .......... all I will say is that when the word Vietnam is pressed close to me, I close up, it was a frickin hell hole and I still hate the tropics to this bloody day

[abhiginimav]

No offence to any americans, but i think the USA should just not have got involved, i think the world police thing is getting to far, that goes for Britain and more economically developed european countries too. we should let countries sort it out between them. this is why were loosing men fighting for lost causes. Vietnam was just a waste of time, money, military, vehicles and lives. thoose who came back, havent got a life, because it had been stolen from fear and horrible experiences.
Sorry to hear that you went to Nam' Erich
i jus hope if i ever join the RAF when im old enough, i wont see any thing like that.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by abhiginimav

No offence to any americans, but i think the USA should just not have got involved, i think the world police thing is getting to far, that goes for Britain and more economically developed european countries too. we should let countries sort it out between them. this is why were loosing men fighting for lost causes. Vietnam was just a waste of time, money, military, vehicles and lives. thoose who came back, havent got a life, because it had been stolen from fear and horrible experiences.
Sorry to hear that you went to Nam' Erich
i jus hope if i ever join the RAF when im old enough, i wont see any thing like that.

Very correct but here's the beef - While the world would demonize someone like Bush, Regan or even Nixon - JFK was the largest perpetrator of US intervention of any president in the post war years. I know he revered through out the world as one of the greatest US presidents, in reality he was a big scumbag, and I'm being very kind here. Johnson just carried on the same failed policy that Kennedy started and Nixon politicised the situation to ensure his second term. My brother fought there was was actually spat on when he returned home (BTW the couple who spat on them probably never disrespected another Vietnam vet after that fateful encounter)...

[Erich]

well Joe I hope your brother had the nerve to kickem in the nutz and the puss

you are so correct about JFK and Johnson and couple of D**ks. funny isn't it how the forum members have been brought up to believe otherwise through the great source of twisted school text books and the media

[abhiginimav]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

My brother fought there was was actually spat on when he returned home (BTW the couple who spat on them probably never disrespected another Vietnam vet after that fateful encounter)...

LOL good on ur bro flyboyj.....dont think anyone deserves that kind of disrespect after going into a bloody battle. thats the last thing i would want from my own country after returning from service.

[abhiginimav]

Originally Posted by Erich

funny isn't it how the forum members have been brought up to believe otherwise through the great source of twisted school text books and the media

Thats why i hate history lessons....its a load of Bull*hit that you cant tell if is tru or false. You just have to peice together the jigsaw to get the facts from the whole picture

[abhiginimav]

WOW! this is the most intelectual conversation i have had about war!! kids my age are ignorant D*cks. glad to finnaly find my place. Thanks everyone, especially Erich and Flyboyj for the facts.

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***woo! 16 in 6 days***

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Erich

well Joe I hope your brother had the nerve to kickem in the nutz and the puss

you are so correct about JFK and Johnson and couple of D**ks. funny isn't it how the forum members have been brought up to believe otherwise through the great source of twisted school text books and the media

Couldn't agree more!

Originally Posted by abhiginimav

LOL good on ur bro flyboyj.....dont think anyone deserves that kind of disrespect after going into a bloody battle. thats the last thing i would want from my own country after returning from service.

The incident with my brother happened in Cleveland in the spring of 1969. A couple spat on him as he was walking through the airport - My brother threw both of them through a store front window. A cop grabbed my brother and when he sorted out what happened he had my brother go on his way - you see the cop was a Vietnam Vet...

[abhiginimav]

LOL! even better!