 | August 21,1968-the end of Prague Spring| Post-War Discuss August 21,1968-the end of Prague Spring in the Other Eras forums; sad pictures Seesul. That's the part of our common history which should never be repeated.
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08-23-2008, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by seesul  ...and btw, Ukraine wants to join NATO... | their prowestern goverment wants. About 60% of Ukrainans are against it.
And military confrontation with Ukraine is something beyond any imagination. That's virtually impossible.
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Originally Posted by JugBR ukraine isnt a soviet´s satelite state, its a sovereign country, why should the russians intervent over a foreign country to contain a public manifestation ? im not siyng its totally impossible, but wich scenario could led russia to invade ukraine to fight againt protesters ? | Czechoslovakia was a sovereign state as well.
I did not say anything about invading because of protesters or anything....
I just said that Ukraine could be a future target of Russia, in Russia's bid to regain a sphere of influence and become a world super power again. Put emphasis on could.
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Originally Posted by seesul Do you know there are negotations between USA-Poland-Czech Republic about US anti missiles defence? USA want to have missiles in Poland and anti missiles radar in Czech Republic... | Roman as a Czech citizen, what is your opinion on the matter of the Nuclear Missile Defence system? I think it would be great to hear the opinions of the people from these countries.
I think I will start a thread as well...
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Originally Posted by stasoid evil russians | I would be really interested in seeing what your original post was...
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Originally Posted by Ramirezzz
their prowestern goverment wants. About 60% of Ukrainans are against it.
And military confrontation with Ukraine is something beyond any imagination. That's virtually impossible.
| I would not say impossible my friend. You never know what will happen in this volotile world.
I certainly hope not however, for the sake of the world and for the sake our great nations.
Believe it or not (despite all the talk that goes on in this forum), I have no problem with the Russian people. Just as you dislike our government, I dislike and have a strong distrust for the Russian government.
I however have nothing against the Russian people. I have several Russian friends and even dated a Russian girl for a while before I met my wife. I have always been interested and fascinated in Russian culture and food. When I was a child growing up, my dream was to work as Foriegn Service Worker at the US Embassy in Moscow in the Soviet Union (the fall of the Soviet Union kind of destroyed that dream!  ), and when I was in High School I even tried to learn Russian. I still know a few words and phrases.
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet
Just as you dislike our government
| I wouldn't say I dislike it - its foreign policy simply has at the moment too many points where the USA interests contradict to the interests of Russia. So as a Russian citizen I can't agree with it but objectively speaking it's Bush goverment "real politics" and I can't really blame them for that. Anyway I truly miss the golden years of the US-Russ relations under Clinton administration, even if that partnership was sometimes rather destructive to the Russian economy despite all credits given etc and some terrible miscalculations were made by both sides. Quote: |
I still know a few words and phrases.
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08-23-2008, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramirezzz
ruki vverch? | That is not one of them. I will try and write them on here later.
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08-23-2008, 11:17 AM
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Country:  | Great post Roman! Thanks for doing it so comprehensively. Every other year, it was me who was putting up the anniversary here. I'm glad I have a reliable successeor. But the main reason was that my PC got f***ed up...
I was getting through the anniversary very extensively this year, I had watched the special programs on the Czech TV and studied books and articles that were written about this theme.
Brother of my mother-in-law was one among those several hundred victims that the Russians left behind when they had entered this country...
The more I was digusţed, when I attended a "performance" (I don't know how to describe this better!) in front of the National Museum in Prague (situated on Prague's main boulevard, it was mistaken for a Czechoslovakian Parliament by the Soviets, hence they opened fire on it). So, there was a Russian T-54 type tank installed, with its gun pointed at the museum building, with five guys sitting on it, dressed like Soviet soldiers. Czech! people walking around were placing their own kids on the tank and were taking photos of them, smiling, like it would be some ****ing attraction or something...
But I was really waken up from the letargy when I saw some Russian tourists, being photographed in front of the tank by their fellow and posing very victoriously. From an angle so the Prague Castle could be seen on the picture...
Well, Cold War II has just started.
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Originally Posted by Pisis I've found banana box that once belonged to my wife's grandpa | Woh did I miss something here? Are you married now?
If I missed this before, I truely apologize!!! Congratulations my friend!
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Originally Posted by Pisis But I was really waken up from the letargy when I saw some Russian tourists, being photographed in front of the tank by their fellow and posing very victoriously. From an angle so the Prague Castle could be seen on the picture...
| hey do ya really think Russians are kind of proud of that events or they see it as their victory or something? Those guys were some ordinary tourists who probably had not a clue what happened there 40 years ago and just wanted to take a good shot. | |
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Woh did I miss something here? Are you married now?
If I missed this before, I truely apologize!!! Congratulations my friend! | i think he means the wife of his grampa.
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Originally Posted by Pisis Great post Roman! Thanks for doing it so comprehensively. Every other year, it was me who was putting up the anniversary here. I'm glad I have a reliable successeor. But the main reason was that my PC got f***ed up...
I was getting through the anniversary very extensively this year, I had watched the special programs on the Czech TV and studied books and articles that were written about this theme.
Brother of my mother-in-law was one among those several hundred victims that the Russians left behind when they had entered this country...
The more I was digusţed, when I attended a "performance" (I don't know how to describe this better!) in front of the National Museum in Prague (situated on Prague's main boulevard, it was mistaken for a Czechoslovakian Parliament by the Soviets, hence they opened fire on it). So, there was a Russian T-54 type tank installed, with its gun pointed at the museum building, with five guys sitting on it, dressed like Soviet soldiers. Czech! people walking around were placing their own kids on the tank and were taking photos of them, smiling, like it would be some ****ing attraction or something...
But I was really waken up from the letargy when I saw some Russian tourists, being photographed in front of the tank by their fellow and posing very victoriously. From an angle so the Prague Castle could be seen on the picture...
Well, Cold War II has just started. | how is described a victorious posing ? 
thats a result i foung in google. why should they was posing victoriously, since that same repression that happened in prague was the same that they suffered in russia ?
btw, prague is a beautifull metropolis, congrats, i thing one of the jewels of europe ! 
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Originally Posted by Ramirezzz hey do ya really think Russians are kind of proud of that events or they see it as their victory or something? Those guys were some ordinary tourists who probably had not a clue what happened there 40 years ago and just wanted to take a good shot. | Not really. They had very good clue. I'm not saying all of Ruskoje malchiki are like that though - I have some really good friends in Poccia.  Quote:
Originally Posted by JugBR i think he means the wife of his grampa. | Nope. My better half's mother. Quote:
Originally Posted by JugBR how is described a victorious posing ?[/IMG] | It was something like this: 
Don't take me wrong, I'm not paranoiac, they were very well aware of what the whole damn thing is about. And yes, they were Russians. Quote: |
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Woh did I miss something here? Are you married now?
If I missed this before, I truely apologize!!! Congratulations my friend | Keine Sorge, my friend, you DID NOT MISS ANYTHING, because I did not post any info about it.  | |
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Originally Posted by Pisis Not really. They had very good clue. | Then read this: В канун 40-й годовщины ввода войск стран – участниц Варшавского договора на территорию Чехословакии Фонд «Общественное мнение» (ФОМ) провел опрос россиян, чтобы выяснить их осведомленность о тех драматических событиях. Результаты исследования плачевны: треть респондентов заявили экспертам ФОМ, что впервые от них об этом слышат. А среди тех, кто знает, чем ознаменовался август 68-го, немало давших точно такие оценки, которыми пестрели в те дни страницы советских газет. Эксперты ФОМ обращают внимание на то, что даже среди современников оккупации братской страны каждый шестой признался в полном неведении о танках на улицах Праги.
В 2 часа ночи 21 августа 1968 года на аэродроме «Рузине» под Прагой высадились части советской 7-й воздушно-десантной дивизии. В течение дня войска стран Варшавского договора заняли основные объекты на территории Чехословакии. Целью операции была смена политического руководства страны и установление в ней лояльного СССР режима. Эти события не только за рубежом, но и у нас многие назвали позорными.
«Танки идут по Праге /в закатной крови рассвета. /Танки идут по правде, которая не газета... /Чем же мне жить, как прежде, /если, как будто рубанки, /танки идут по надежде, /что это – родные танки?» – написал в августе 68-го Евгений Евтушенко. Дать принципиально иную, чем тогда, оценку этим событиям, российские власти так и не удосужились. Вот, вероятно, главная причина весьма неожиданных ответов наших сограждан на вопросы ФОМ, приуроченные к 40-летию оккупации ЧССР. Так, 34% заявили, что впервые слышат о вводе советских войск в Чехословакию. Полную неосведомленность проявили 58% респондентов в возрасте до 35 лет. Если это и объяснимо их молодостью, то не может не удивлять, что среди людей старше 55 лет каждый шестой впервые услышал о событиях, современником которых был, от интервьюера ФОМ. Эксперты предполагают, что информация, скорее всего, полностью выветрилась из памяти этих респондентов, поскольку они считают ее несущественной.
Около трети опрошенных, по их словам, «что-то знают» о вторжении в Чехословакию, столько же – «что-то слышали» об этом. Им был задан дополнительный вопрос о причинах ввода войск – и половина из них ничего конкретного сказать по данному поводу не смогли. Чаще всего звучали ответы: «политические дела», «опять что-то не поделили», «такая сложилась ситуация».
Taken from "Novye Izvestia" of 18th August 2008: / " , ...". 1968
Shall I translate it or you get along with an automatic translator?
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