 | THE AVRO CF-105 ARROW - WAS IT REALLY THAT GOOD?!?| Post-War Discuss THE AVRO CF-105 ARROW - WAS IT REALLY THAT GOOD?!? in the Other Eras forums; I agree it made no sense.
There were plans for Arrow versions that included bomber, recon and a Mach 3 ... |
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09-20-2005, 02:12 AM
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There were plans for Arrow versions that included bomber, recon and a Mach 3 interceptor. Avro would probably have been building Arrows into the 1970s with modern avionics and weapons systems, not to mention other projects they had planned. They didn't even put the nuke warheads on the Bomarcs until 1963 and then removed them again permantly in 1969. It was a usless system for most of its deployment.
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09-20-2005, 05:11 AM
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#47 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | Ah that's right, I'd forgotten about the planned bomber variant. I had a good book on the Arrow, but I haven't been able to find it. I'm thinking my nephew "borrowed" it. I'll have to track him down and interrogate him. 
It's really too bad they never got to at least test it with the Iroquois. I'd like to know how well it would've actually performed. | |
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09-20-2005, 07:39 AM
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#48 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | I think you would of got this super-fast interceptor, not to maneuvable, but a very capable fighter that might of been around for many years...
Kind of Interesting - Jimmie Carter cancelled the B-1 - Imagine if he ordered all the drawings and tooling destroyed?!?!
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09-20-2005, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Kind of Interesting - Jimmie Carter cancelled the B-1 - Imagine if he ordered all the drawings and tooling destroyed?!?! | Scary thought, considering how well it has done for us now.
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09-20-2005, 09:33 AM
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Still trying to find information on Arrow maneuvability....?!?!
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09-20-2005, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer Ah that's right, I'd forgotten about the planned bomber variant. I had a good book on the Arrow, but I haven't been able to find it. I'm thinking my nephew "borrowed" it. I'll have to track him down and interrogate him.
It's really too bad they never got to at least test it with the Iroquois. I'd like to know how well it would've actually performed. | With 19,350lbs. thrust at military power and 25,600 lbs. with afterburner it would have taken the Arrow over Mach 2 with ease.
How would you like to fly this? | |
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09-20-2005, 04:25 PM
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#52 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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That must of been a blast to fly. Although the B-47 looked fragile I am told it was quite maneuvable and could be looped and rolled. Would of been fun to do with an extra 19,000 pounds of thrust behind you!
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09-20-2005, 04:45 PM
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#53 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | I'm thinking it's pretty safe to assume that it wouldn't have been the most manoeuvrable plane in the sky, but then it wouldn't have had to be for it's intended role(s).
What book is that from, Dac? | |
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09-20-2005, 05:23 PM
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Country: | The book is just titled "Arrow" and was put together by the Arrowheads. The publisher is Boston Mills Press.
Its got a lot of technical data, pictures and schematics I haven't seen anywhere else. | |
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09-20-2005, 05:29 PM
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#55 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | I thought so. That's the same book I've got. I'm sure my nephew scooped it, the little thief. I'll call him up later tonight about it. He'd better not have destroyed or lost it.  | |
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09-20-2005, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I heard about this but never seen pictures of it - interesting!
That must of been a blast to fly. Although the B-47 looked fragile I am told it was quite maneuvable and could be looped and rolled. Would of been fun to do with an extra 19,000 pounds of thrust behind you! | I've read that the B-47 fooled some pilots into thinking it was a fighter. Unfortunately it couldn't handle the Gs like a fighter and could shed its wings in a high-G maneuver. | |
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09-20-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer I thought so. That's the same book I've got. I'm sure my nephew scooped it, the little thief. I'll call him up later tonight about it. He'd better not have destroyed or lost it. | It might be hard to replace, I don't think they printed very many. | |
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09-20-2005, 09:20 PM
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#58 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | That added engine sure would effect the balance when landing and taking off, I would assume. I have a picture of the B-47 at KI Sawyer taken in about 1958 somewhere. I will see if I can dig that out and post it.
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09-21-2005, 12:26 PM
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09-21-2005, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dac The thrust was also off-center causing handling problems. | I would think so. Any information on the pilots who flew it?
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