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01-19-2007, 01:44 PM
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Moose, according to one study, kill about 11 people a year. "They can kick in all four directions," warns a biologist with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, "and move like Muhammad Ali."
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01-19-2007, 04:26 PM
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01-19-2007, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Glider  Only one choice, the Hunter | bhaaaaaa!
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01-20-2007, 05:42 AM
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#34 | | Master of Ewes
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01-20-2007, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass what's wrong with choosing one of the post war's longest serving designs? | Nothing - I think it's a close second to the Sabre.
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01-20-2007, 09:30 AM
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Country:  | I have to agree with FBJ accept that my close second would be the Mig-15 probably. If only for nostalgic reasons.
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01-20-2007, 09:47 AM
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I agree the Avon Sabre may have the edge of the Hunter in air to air, but not any of the US types. The Mig 15s main advantage over the F86 was its better power to weight ratio which the Hunter knocks into a cocked hat.
So I feel the Hunter has the edge (except as stated, the Avon Sabre)
Air to Ground
Hunter has better firepower, range and payload compared to either the F86 or Mig 15, so again the Hunter has it.
Handling
This would be between the Hunter and the F86, both are reported as being very good and I don't have the information to tell the difference between them.
All I can say is that the Hunter is the only swept wing jet cabable of an inverted flat spin, if it can handle that, it can handle anything.
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01-20-2007, 02:05 PM
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Country: | I think the F-86F was more maneuverable than the Hunter, especially at lower speeds. The Hunter was a bit faster but was not as stable when exceeding mach 1. I do give it to the Hunter in the air-to-ground role. An F-86 is such a great flying aircraft, it would never get into a flat spin!  Maintainability - F-86 hands down - From what I seen of the Hunter owned by Al Hansen there were a lot of screwed panels small accesses and the IGVs on the Avon looked like a nightmare.
I'll take the Hunter as a very close second...
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01-20-2007, 02:29 PM
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| The MiG 17 had a massively improved rate of climb, top speed and better maneuvrability than the MiG 15
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Moose, according to one study, kill about 11 people a year. "They can kick in all four directions," warns a biologist with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, "and move like Muhammad Ali." | |
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01-20-2007, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey The MiG 17 had a massively improved rate of climb, top speed and better maneuvrability than the MiG 15 | That it did, but a late model Saber or Hunter (it's contemporary) will have it for lunch, especially at lower altitudes. The guns on it were deadly but slow firing, still no G-suit and no boosted controls. A good aircraft (Very pretty too) but still not a match for either the Saber or Hunter.
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01-20-2007, 04:24 PM
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| The MiG 19 was contempoary to the late Hawker Hunters and the North American F100 Super Sabre. Which was best between the MiG 19 and the F100?   index Mojave.CA.US by Mojave Services
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Moose, according to one study, kill about 11 people a year. "They can kick in all four directions," warns a biologist with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, "and move like Muhammad Ali."
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01-20-2007, 04:33 PM
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Country: | I'd put the Hunter with the F-86/ Mig-15 and 17. The Mig-19 and F-100 was definetly the next generation. Out of those 2 I'd take the Mig-19. Up to the Mig-29 I feel the Mig-19 was the best Mig fighter and in some ways was even superior to the Mig-21. The Pakistani AF did a great job with their - thy armed them with sidewinders and put Martin Baker ejection seats in them.
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01-20-2007, 06:26 PM
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Country:  | Flyboy you say the Avon was a grudge to work on then why would the Aussie 86 be the equal of the Orenda powered one with the exception of the 20mm
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01-20-2007, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Flyboy you say the Avon was a grudge to work on then why would the Aussie 86 be the equal of the Orenda powered one with the exception of the 20mm | It was accessing the engine - the Hunter had a lot of panels with dozens of screws and once removed there wasn't a lot of room to do work. The Sabre was very maintainable, panels with camlock fasteners with ample room to disconnect things, especially when changing engines. The Avon has its IGVs hydraulically actuated with the fuel system - a very complicated set-up. When working a very good powerplant.
I think the Aussie Avon Sabre was one of the best variants. The Fury with it's J-65 (Sapphire) was also a very powerful Sabre variant with performance close to the Aussie Avon.
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01-20-2007, 07:28 PM
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| Personally I found that the Avon wasn't a Grudge (new word for me but I take it not to be complimentary) to work on. The Avon was one of the most successful jet engines of all time certainly of its era, being used in a number of aircraft. It was also widely used in engineering and on ground installations for a variety of uses. | |
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