 | best fighter of the 50s| Post-War Discuss best fighter of the 50s in the Other Eras forums; Agreed, and why would an American president be scared of an aircraft that was being flown by an ally ?... |
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11-07-2005, 09:30 AM
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#31 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | Agreed, and why would an American president be scared of an aircraft that was being flown by an ally?
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11-07-2005, 11:11 AM
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| Evans, your correct. If it was that good, one of the US airframe manufactorers would build it on liscence.
In my opinion, it was killed because of the cost, and the changing strategy of the cold war.
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11-07-2005, 12:37 PM
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#33 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by Supraman The unfortunate thing about my pick is that 6 were made 5 destroyed. The Avro Arrow was the best plane in the 50's hands down nobody can deny that fact. It was so good that Eisenhower was scared poopless of it and cohorced our PM to erase it from Canada's air force.  | Christ, another one. 
Do you honestly believe that crap? Nobody killed the Arrow except John Diefenbaker. This US conspiracy garbage is really starting to wear pretty thin. We killed the Arrow, not the United States. I've seen the theories, and read some interesting "expert" testimonial on why the project was axed, but let's be sensible here. It was falling way behind schedule, it was running into development problems, and it was just too damn expensive. That's all.
I wish people who make these brazen claims would come on here with something like proof.
Why would the US fear us of all people? They were willing to give us nukes, for Christ's sake. | |
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11-07-2005, 04:58 PM
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#34 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Nonskimmer Christ, another one. | 
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11-07-2005, 05:00 PM
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11-07-2005, 08:38 PM
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#36 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | MiG-15 I reckon. One of those truely amazing applications of German Technology into a new fighter (even if the Soviets deny it). There are just too many similarities for a coincidence and the look of the aircraft gives away its potential inspiration. | |
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11-07-2005, 08:53 PM
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#37 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | The Mig-15 was a great aircraft in as much, it was simple. As good as the areodynamics applied into were, it's slow speed handling was poor, the thing snakes on landing. The 86 was much more complex but yet more stable. Even though the Korean War Totals are inaccurate, the 86 walked away with at least a 4 to 1 kill ratio over the Mig-15. Over Taiwan it didn't fare much better especially when Taiwan were given early Sidewinders.
The F-86 shot down Mig-21s during India/ Pakistan clashes....
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11-08-2005, 02:26 PM
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#38 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Supraman The unfortunate thing about my pick is that 6 were made 5 destroyed. The Avro Arrow was the best plane in the 50's hands down nobody can deny that fact. It was so good that Eisenhower was scared poopless of it and cohorced our PM to erase it from Canada's air force. | You keep telling yourself that. The Sabre and the Mig-15 were better in my opinion.
Oh and please take your anti americanism someplace else or atleast use the Polotics threads. This thread is not for bashing other nations it is about talking about aircraft.
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11-08-2005, 02:33 PM
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#39 | | Master of Ewes
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11-08-2005, 02:45 PM
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#40 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Not bashing thre Arrow - I think it WOULD OF made a great aircraft. Bottom line the US as as much responsible for it's demise as for the cancellation of the TRS.2...
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11-08-2005, 03:00 PM
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#41 | | "Shooter"
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11-08-2005, 03:19 PM
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#42 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass what about bashing annother nation's aircraft | Thats okay Lanc, especially when we are bashing British planes like the Lancaster!
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11-09-2005, 09:05 AM
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#43 | | Junior Member
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Country: | Wow, I seemed to hit a nerve there, and I'm truely sorry to our American friends.  Just like anyone else I can say and do dumb things. We are all entitled to our opinon, and this is mine. Now Nonskimmer you should know better with a tory government that they are stupid and crazy look at the GST | |
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11-09-2005, 09:39 AM
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#44 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Supraman Wow, I seemed to hit a nerve there, and I'm truely sorry to our American friends. Just like anyone else I can say and do dumb things. We are all entitled to our opinon, and this is mine. Now Nonskimmer you should know better with a tory government that they are stupid and crazy look at the GST | No problem Supra - you will find that we're all here actually non-biased however there a few guys here that really know their stuff and will challenge statements with hard facts.
There's a site about the Arrow where the author makes all these acquisitions but provides little or know references to back up his claim, in this forum we have those types of folks for lunch!  http://www.avroarrow.org/Cancellation.htm
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11-09-2005, 11:02 AM
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#45 | | Master of Ewes
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you will find that we're all here actually non-biased
| well that's not strictly true
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