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1 interceptor
1 dogfight
1 ground attack... |
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04-24-2007, 04:23 AM
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I am looking for the best fighter aircraft pre 1970
1 interceptor
1 dogfight
1 ground attack | 
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04-26-2007, 10:35 PM
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Country:  | EE Lighting Interceptor
F4 Phantom/Mig-21 dogfighter
A4 Skyhawk Attacker
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04-27-2007, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by General Pain  I am looking for the best fighter aircraft pre 1970
1 interceptor
1 dogfight
1 ground attack | EE Lightning
Mirage F1
A4 Skyhawk
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04-27-2007, 01:43 PM
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| Lightning = Interceptor
Hunter = Dogfighter
F4 = Ground Attack | |
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04-27-2007, 02:07 PM
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Country:  | F104 - interceptor
MIG 17 - dogfight
A4 - ground attack
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04-27-2007, 02:22 PM
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Country: | Interceptor - Lightning II
Dogfight - MiG 21
Ground Attack - A4 Skyhawk. | |
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04-27-2007, 03:57 PM
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Country: | The f104 an excellent delivery platform due to its high wing loading not a knife fighter dogfighter but boom and zoom . In the 12 years the 104 was at Red Flag not one was lost in the simulated combats what else needs to be said
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04-27-2007, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot In the 12 years the 104 was at Red Flag not one was lost in the simulated combats what else needs to be said | Good to know that.
The job of an interceptor is to engage the enemy as far from their target as possible. In that capacity, all you need is speed, high ceiling, range, good rate of climb and a strong weapons system.
The F-104 was flawed but it did the job it was designed to do.
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04-27-2007, 07:01 PM
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Country:  | I pretty much agree with Glider.
It's a shame the Lightning was never forced to dogfight; sit on its tail and climb to the stars, then come roaring down like ...well, lightning.
Initial rate of climb; 50,000 feet
Ceiling 60,000 feet
Speed Mach 2.3
All official ... not true figures. The Lightning bounced U-2s... an 11 Sqdn. pilot recently declared he took an unmodified Lightning to 88,000 feet and felt it could keep climbing. Lightning T.5 beat the F-15 to 30,000 feet...
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04-27-2007, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot The f104 an excellent delivery platform due to its high wing loading not a knife fighter dogfighter but boom and zoom . In the 12 years the 104 was at Red Flag not one was lost in the simulated combats what else needs to be said | I must correct my statement not one was lost I Red Flag while performing its role as strike aircraft . but had kills as it would "pop out of the weeds " while going a good clip and pull a snap shot.
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Originally Posted by Glider Lightning = Interceptor
Hunter = Dogfighter
F4 = Ground Attack | Yep, I would choose the same.
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04-28-2007, 10:10 AM
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| Been thinking about this and I have decided to put the Gnat up as a dogfighter.
Sure as hell isn't an interceptor or GA, but as a dogfighter it would take some beating | |
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05-01-2007, 03:51 PM
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| I've seen a few times the mention of the Hunter as a dogfighter, when and where was it used in a dogfight situation and what was it's kill/loss ratio?
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05-01-2007, 04:13 PM
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Country: | I flew an A-4 against a Hunter a long time ago, and we had gun camera
footage after each sortie. What I remember is that the Hunter's pipper was
not only always on my aircraft, it was steady on my cockpit, and it was
quite humbling. For pure classic dogfight, I am leaning towards the Hunter.
F-106 for intercepter, my beloved Scooter for attack. | |
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05-01-2007, 04:22 PM
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Country: | Dogfighter? Mig-19. Highly maneuverable with a lot of power, 2 engies to boot. Pakistan put Martin baker seats in their and armed them with sidewinders.
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