Cold War Gone Hot

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Originally Posted by stasoid

Agree, but on the other hand, that silent majority of ordinary people who never participate in any kind of organized protests or rallys wouldnt be automaically counted as pro- nuclear/military/american etc... either

Thats also a fact but then the silent majority went to the polls with more then one viable option and the majority ruled the weapons were there . I recall when the initial cruise missle tests were flown in Canada and when the USAF guys recovered the unit it was plastered with" refuse the cruise stickers "
they were some pissed off and the guys who stuck them on as a jpke thought it some what humourous

[Ramirezzz]

[quote=DerAdlerIstGelandet;388564]

2. While you are entitled to your opinion, and believe me when I say that I want to hear your opinion. An opinion however is not fact so please do not call it fact...

agreed. lass uns dabei belassn.

But do you really know the true German, or do you only know the Germans you chose to surround yourself with?

and what exactly is the true German ? or the true Russian or American?
I knew Germans of pretty all social levels and they expressed pretty various opinions.

[Matt308]

Hmmm.. .sounds like stasiod would make a good US conservative. You just painted the majority of conservatives perfectly. They are too busy WORKING to participate in organized protests or rallys.

Good post.

[stasoid]

Matt, that's what I'm doing in Canada - too busy, working hard, paying my taxes, never participating in any anti-war... etc activities, I always vote for Conservatives, but that doesnt mean I support all of their hard-line initiatives in foreign affairs.

[Matt308]

It wasn't an accusation. Relax.

[Matt308]

So what brings you up north, to British Columbia?

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by timshatz

Actually Jug, I think you would've probably survived it. South American was not nuclearized and really had a limited threat to anyone. Same with Africa and the middle east. Being that most weather paterns stay north and south of the equator, even nuclear fallout would've been (probably, but not definitely) limited in your end of the world.

Instead of being destroyed by a Nuclear war, odds are Brazil would've probably come out as some kind of regional superpower. Not because of anything she did, but because she wasn't in it at all.

i dont like that "superpower" stuff, it gives too much problems... better would be brazil, argentina and the others joint to make another kind of political order or civilization. maybe come back to the past and starts where incas stopped then carry on.

but i still believe if ussr and usa would declare war to each other, the world would be destroyed as a whole. the only survivors would be the roaches and some politicians, wich is almost the same, instead roaches have 6 legs and politicians 4.

[stasoid]

Originally Posted by Matt308

So what brings you up north, to British Columbia?

I found it a perfect retreat in case of a full scale nuclear exchange

[timshatz]

Originally Posted by Ramirezzz

in the early -to mid 1980ies at least three or four subs were on patrol at one time in the Northern Atlantic.

Have heard and read the number was larger. Combining Fast Attack with Boomer numbers. Both were out on two different missions. Boomers went out to hide and prep for the big one. Fast Attack went out to find the boomers (Nato navies) and find Nato boomers and protect their own boomers (Soviet navy). Also, both sides were using their Fast Attacks for odd jobs (espionage, recon, ect).

Soviets, to my understanding, had a lot of subs out at any given time, most staying north, up in the Arctic. Not saying they didn't come down into the North Atlantic, plenty did. But the Soviet Intell on Nato detection was very good. Their spies were better (or at least their security services were further into the Nato system).

Knew all about SOSUS.

[timshatz]

[quote=JugBR;388644]i dont like that "superpower" stuff, it gives too much problems...QUOTE]

Most people don't! Too expensive and pisses everyone off.

Wouldn't have much choice after the "big one". Brazil would've been one of the largest economies on the planet, defacto in charge, like it or not. Everybody else would've been knocked down to third world status.

Agree with ya' on politicians. Avoid them like the plague.

[Matt308]

Yep... 4 legs and all.

[RabidAlien]

The only thing wrong with politics is there's too many politicians involved.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Ramirezzz

I knew Germans of pretty all social levels and they expressed pretty various opinions.

Ditto!

You just helped prove my point!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by stasoid

Agree, but on the other hand, that silent majority of ordinary people who never participate in any kind of organized protests or rallys wouldnt be automaically counted as pro- nuclear/military/american etc... either

You are correct, but again a minority can not speak for a country as a whole, therefore your arguement and example have no merit.

Please dont take me wrong. All I am saying, is that it is nothing more than an opinion and therefore when used in this arguement has no merit.

[timshatz]

Actually, if taken to an ideological level, a democratic society is a situation where the "silent majority" does speak for the will of the people by voting. That vote and the party that it brings in represents the will of the people.

However, for the vote to be truely democratic, there has to be parties representing the will of the people and not just a vote to validate the existence of a Totalitarian state (be it Socialist, Facist or Communist).