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11-16-2005, 09:53 AM
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Country:  | i found this pic on www.f-16.net please note the flight suit supposedly req'd for flights over fl 500 or 600 it sure had interesting numbers | 
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11-16-2005, 10:12 AM
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#152 | | "Shooter"
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11-16-2005, 10:52 AM
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#153 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | The -104 could do this with ease but couldn't carry anything in the process. It's amazing that the RCAF (CAF) did this with a seemingly stock -104.
Here's the site for the NF-104 http://www.batnet.com/mfwright/nf104.html
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11-16-2005, 11:15 AM
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Country: | my national pride is wounded the 104 that broke the record was a lockheed A model used as pattern a/c for canadair its in the national aerospace museum in ottawa http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/c...rfighter.shtml
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#155 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by plan_D Enough for him to bring it home and land, at least. And so what, Adler? So the Lightning hasn't dropped anything in real combat. It still could and would quicker than the F-14 on a point intercept. Notice how none of those combat actions used Phoenix missiles!? You lose out on the Phoenix argument so you bring in combat action? Well, with a normal combat load-out the F-14 would be left behind by the Lightning because the only thing keeping the F-14 anywhere near the Lightning in quickest strike is the Phoenix, and the Lightning is still faster.
Either way, Eric, 88,000 feet is very impressive. See, the real ability of the Lightning is yet to be released. The top speed is the next I hope someone decides to reveal because it's obvious it was faster than Mach 2.3. | I did not lose anything, you just dont want to ever admit that something might be overall better than your precious lightning. Yes the Lightning was a great intercepter, I have said that over and over and over however and may have been better than the F-14 in some areas but over all the F-14 was the more advanced and better intercepter. Hands down.
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11-16-2005, 05:42 PM
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11-16-2005, 05:59 PM
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11-16-2005, 06:21 PM
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#158 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | FBJ, that is one hell of a pic man....
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11-16-2005, 07:10 PM
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#159 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus FBJ, that is one hell of a pic man.... | Isn't that cool! Everytime I see it I think of the old instrumental "Telstar" playing. It looks like it's on it's way to Mars!!!!
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#161 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by syscom3 "Telstar" | I like the Ventures version.... 
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| And I like the Hawaii 5-0 theme from the Ventures  )
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#163 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Thanks, Syscom. Now that is stuck in my head!
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11-17-2005, 01:23 PM
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#164 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by pbfoot no they used jumo 004b-1 and later upgraded to rolls royce nene | I thought the CF-104's built by Canadair used the Orenda built version of the J79 though. | |
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11-18-2005, 01:06 AM
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Country:  | Read my first post on this thread, Adler, I said point-interceptor ability. Not multi-role ability. Again -  . And I agree, and that was my point from the start as les asked "Is this from a land base?" and I replied with a yes, and he agreed the Lightning was the best 'cos this whole thread was land based interceptor.
By 1988, Gnomey, the Lightning was old. It was set to be replaced in the 70s but proved itself irreplacable so the RAF kept them until the last produced were basically falling apart. The British Government didn't consider the Lightning inferior to anything new, but they didn't want to spend anymore money on a new Lightning project that English Electric (then BAe) had proposed.
And I remember reading on this thread that the F-14's avionics are the most advanced in the world. I can't remember who said it ...but whoever it was, you're wrong.
The F-14D carries the Hughes AWG-9 fire control system with a range of 115 NM. It is an old style radar of mechanical movement. F-15Cs carry the Raytheon/Hughes AN/AP-63(V)2 fire control/radar system which has a range of 135 NM and uses AESA, a brand new system which makes the radar lighter and more efficient because it electrically scans. It's much-much-much more advanced than the AWG-9. Then the F-22 carries an even more advanced avionics system, the APG-77 which can detect an enemies radar at 230 NM, and detect an object at 125 NM. It also uses AESA. It does various things that Hughes couldn't even dream of in the 1970s when the AWG-9 was produced.
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