Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums

Cold War Intercept

Post-War Discuss Cold War Intercept in the Other Eras forums; The Lightning would carry two BAe Red Tops and two Aden 30mm cannon into combat. The Red Top had a ...


Go Back   Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums > Other Eras > Post-War

View Poll Results: 1950-1980 supreme interceptor?
English Electric Lightning 12 41.38%
F-101B (CF-101B) Voodoo 0 0%
Mirage III 0 0%
MiG-21 1 3.45%
F-104C/G Starfighter 2 6.90%
IAI Kfir 0 0%
F-106 Delta Dart 4 13.79%
F-14 Tomcat 6 20.69%
F-4E Phantom II 1 3.45%
MiG-23S Flogger-B 0 0%
F-15 Eagle 3 10.34%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-03-2005, 06:17 PM   #211
Senior Member
 
plan_D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 12,061
Country:
Send a message via MSN to plan_D Send a message via Yahoo to plan_D
The Lightning would carry two BAe Red Tops and two Aden 30mm cannon into combat. The Red Top had a range of seven miles and was designed to intercept low-level agile fighters, there was much more change that it would hit than miss a bomber. Then because of the speed of the Lightning, it's always in the situation to be able to use it's cannon which would rip anything to pieces.
__________________
"When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004

To those in that club.
plan_D is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2005, 08:39 PM   #212
Senior Member
 
102first_hussars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Edmonton,Alberta
Posts: 2,260
Country:
There yah go SYS, Now speed is not always a good thing when going to guns on a target, charging your target too fast limits the time you have to accurately aim, I mean **** if you miss you just waisted ammo and fuel.
__________________
Hello me...meet the real me.
And my misfits way of life.
A dark black past is my
Most valued possession.
Hindsight is always 20-20,
But looking back its still a bit fuzzy.
Speak of mutually assured destruction?
Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!
102first_hussars is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2005, 09:06 PM   #213
Senior Member
 
syscom3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 8,473
I suspect the Lightning would have fuel issues for a re-attack scenario.
__________________
"Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"
syscom3 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2005, 09:30 PM   #214
Senior Member
 
plan_D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 12,061
Country:
Send a message via MSN to plan_D Send a message via Yahoo to plan_D
At the full extent of the Lightning's combat range, it would be capable of around three passes on target. The first would be able to attack two targets with it's missiles, and the other two would be against anything else in it's area of attack. If really needed plenty of tankers would already be about somewhere, if not the single Lightning can go home, but there's always the rest of the squadron to follow which would already be up in the air by the time the first (most likely two) would have to go home.

I'll have to ask my dad about doomsday scrambles, but they could have RAF Binbrook empty of all operational Lightnings (about 24 normally) in 20-30 minutes, maybe less. During that time others would be coming home, being refuelled and rearmed then sent back up.

And pilot gunnery training over Cyprus kept RAF pilots in tip-top shape for gunnery. My dad saw plenty of 'targets' splattered by firing Lightnings over the Med.
__________________
"When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004

To those in that club.
plan_D is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2006, 11:37 PM   #215
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Queensland
Posts: 1,256
Country:
Actually is it becoming a case with aircraft of 'Jack of All Trades and Master of None'? When you look at it there are compromises that need to be made to accomodate all the different capabilities these aircraft need to perform. Does this mean we could see a generation of aircraft coming that are useless against pure-purpose aircraft? That is the real question which only time will answer...
HealzDevo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2006, 01:49 PM   #216
Master of Ewes
 
the lancaster kicks ass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 19,959
Country:
Send a message via MSN to the lancaster kicks ass
holy crap where do you keep dragging these threads up from and what's that got to do with the topic?

either way aircraft have to go that way because it's damn expensive to have a single aircraft per job, the Typhoon's primarily an air-to-air fighter but has a secondary ground attack role, the only ones who can afford a single plane-single role plan to some extent is America with the F-22 which is a pure all out Fighter, and because of that is arguably the best fighter in the world, of course the ideal is to have one type per role but at what cost? and think how hard the logistics of that would be!
__________________

"Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."
the lancaster kicks ass is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2006, 04:23 PM   #217
aka Dickcheese
 
Matt308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Washington State
Posts: 11,075
Country:
And even the F-22 is being outfitted with air-to-gnd capability with addition of multiple SDB in the bays.
__________________

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if
they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.]
Marines don't have that problem."
-- Ronald Reagan

Master of Duplicate Posts
Matt308 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2006, 09:20 PM   #218
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Queensland
Posts: 1,256
Country:
All I was pointing out was that there are some things that could cause major problems in combat, with having to perform different roles, ie. add ground attack and you are sacrificing missile bays on a fighter that could be used to add in more ATA missiles...
HealzDevo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.1.0
   

AVIATION TOP 100 - www.avitop.com Avitop.com


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93