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11-06-2005, 11:09 AM
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Country:  | We can't give the Lightning all the credit, other aircraft intercepted too.
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Country:  | The shot with the Phantoms is great! Nice pics!
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11-06-2005, 11:35 AM
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11-06-2005, 12:18 PM
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11-06-2005, 12:45 PM
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11-06-2005, 03:56 PM
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Country:  | My vote still goes for the F-14. I dont care if the Lightning could out climb it or what. Once the Tomcat was in the air the F-14 could fly faster than a Lightning and it could hit the target with the Aim-54 Pheonix before the Lightning could get into range with its missles.
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11-06-2005, 09:17 PM
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Country: | I don't hear of any F-14 making a stern intercept on a Concorde flying at 57,000 feet and Mach 2.2. The F-14 wasn't faster than the Lightning. The Lightning was quicker off the ground, quicker to altitude, quicker to target ...it was just quicker.
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11-06-2005, 10:39 PM
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| Aircraft on alert could have the vacuum tubes warmed up. Plus......... vacuum tubes are immune to EMP.
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11-06-2005, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Aircraft on alert could have the vacuum tubes warmed up. Plus......... vacuum tubes are immune to EMP. | That was sited as a reason why the MiG-25 had vacuum tubes, it's immunity to EMP. As far as having the tubes "warmed up" while the aircraft was on alert, there is no evidence that the Soviets ever did this. It would involve running heated air into the electronic bay of the aircraft or keeping the aircraft in a heated hangar, I doubt the Soviets did either...
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11-07-2005, 03:30 AM
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11-07-2005, 03:31 AM
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Country: | And you're certainly not going to have the whole squadron heated because that'd be one expensive bill for the government. A full squadron of Lightning's would be up long before a squadron of MiG-25s.
Fourteen aircraft a piece, two on QRF that are warmed up (not the Lightnings, they don't need to be.), the O aircraft would be up. The crews would be pulling the rest of the squadron out of the hangars and such (RAF squadrons actually had another two on stand-by, but not in the Q hangar)...now the MiGs sit there for 2-5 minutes warming up...while the Lightnings are just piling on to the runway and only lack of room on the runway is what's stopping them taking off quicker.
So, NATO attacks a Soviet MiG-25 base ...it meets two straight away...then breaks through and destroys the base while the rest are warming. VVS attacks a Lightning base, it meets two straight away ...breaks through...and then there's another twelve coming at them. Actually, if it were Binbrook...there's two squadrons and a LTF with T-bird Lightnings that also have full combat capability.
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11-07-2005, 09:30 AM
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Country: | If the Ruskies kept power to the aircraft and had the radar on, this would of presented a hazard to the crew and would of eventually burnt out the tubes in the radars.
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11-07-2005, 11:43 AM
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| You dont need to have all the radar tubes on, just the associated tubes used for preamps, tuners, etc.
The main radar tube would be kept off for safety reasons, and also cause they heat up so fast once turned on.
I cant find any reference what tube the Foxbat used for the main radar amp. Klystron? TWTA? Anyone know?
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11-07-2005, 02:49 PM
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Country:  | lack of room on runway? do they take off singly or in flights? i be worried about the second launch and how many you can get up then after doing a hot turnaround. how many targets would be left after norwegians and danes had their go with 104s 16s and drakens | |
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